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I'm writing a book and my editor needs to be able to alter/comment on the document as we go. I'm afraid AI is gonna use my work so I wanna move away from Google.

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[-] First_Thunder@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago

Proton for a “drop in” kind of replacement, although there are some format shenanigans iirc. Nextcloud should work fine, and you can have it hosted on their servers or host yourself

[-] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Is there a personal Nextcloud option? It looks like it's all for official businesses

[-] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

You have to host it yourself, pay for it to be hosted for you, or know and trust someone with an instance who is willing to give you an account.

Nextcloud is like Lemmy. Nextcloud is just the software, to use it you need a service provider that'll give you an actual instance to sign up on. That provider can be anyone, including yourself.

Nextcloud makes free personal accounts available via a couple partners, here: https://nextcloud.com/sign-up/

[-] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

Ah. Yeah that's not a feasible thing for us unfortunately. My editor is part of a small startup publishing company, so their revenue is pretty much non-existent right now.

[-] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 weeks ago

I edited my comment.

But if a couple gigs of storage will do, there is this: https://nextcloud.com/sign-up/

[-] AMoralNihilist@feddit.uk 1 points 1 week ago

https://european-alternatives.eu/

In general this is a great resource for finding alternatives, obviously with a European bias. But many are FOSS as well

[-] videogamesandbeer@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

https://etherpad.org/ lets you set up your own instance or sign up to free existing instances for online document collaboration. It seems very on par with Google Docs.

https://www.collaboraonline.com/collabora-online/ has wide document format compatibility and is most comparable to M$ 360, but you need to sign up for a free demo and I don't know how long that lasts or what it costs afterwards.

https://cryptpad.fr/ This is the one I've personally used the most without ever creating an account. It uses OnlyOffice, is e2ee, easy to create and share. Without an account, your document is deleted after 90 days. With a free account, you get 1GB of storage and the ability to share folders and collaborate with other users.

The safest option is always just work in the offline editor of your choice and send it back and forth securely with edits or comments. Keep each revision saved separately so you can go back if needed.

Good luck with your book!

[-] egrets@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

FYI, OnlyOffice is entirely Russian-owned, through a holding company in Singapore and a subsidiary in Latvia. I don't know if money you give CryptPad ends up in Russian hands, but OnlyOffice put a lot of effort into obscuring this.

[-] mr_pip@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

i see many comments here suggesting other paid proprietary tools and just want to add that you should please consider exclusively FOSS solutions. replacing google with another company saying: "trust me, bro", just does not cut it anymore. the internet is filled with stories of professionals losing work, because insert big tech company suspended their accounts, trains their AI without disclosure or just leaked your credentials and apologizes by makung a whoopsie post and suggesting you just change your password.

the more open, local and established your setup is, the less you are going to have those headaches and can focus on actually working, even if it means a little more hurdles with setup and less flashy features.

don't be a sheep

[-] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 week ago

Venn diagram of free as in beer and Foss webservice... It would have to be someone with large budget who wants to do good in the world. And also isn't worried about legal liability for their services.

Even catbox.moe isn't foss.

There are some good examples ITT though, like etherpad.

[-] mr_pip@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 week ago

it "just" has to be someone with a good idea they are passionate about. you think of only hosted services, but there is also the option of a normal file, syncthing sended back and forth aside from selfhosted options such as collabora just asan example.

wdym even catbox? this is just a filehoster...

[-] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

Paid versions of m365 keeps you in control of your work product.

[-] kynzo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

you mean the one with AI baked into its core? the one from a company that does not respect yours or anyone elses privacy what so ever? yeah iam sure they will make sure they dont steal op's work :D

[-] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

Yes. They do not mess around with enterprise customers. If they started training on paying customers client data they would 1) lose a significant amount of customers and 2) expose themselves to millions of lawsuits.

Even if this were true (which it isn't always, per their own EULA), a paid tier is not equivalent to an enterprise tier. I don't see OP, nor the startup publisher, shelling out 50€/month with year commitment for an E5 for the remote possibility that Microsoft might actually respect the noAI toggle.

[-] kynzo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

I don't think you understand how closed source software works. What you just said is exactly true with the only lie being that they get caught. There is no way to prove that they are doing this and that's exactly why I'm sure that they are.. 

Besides, openai and many others have violated the copyright laws many times and faced no real consequences, do you really think this legal system is on your side? 

[-] Brkdncr@lemmy.world -2 points 2 weeks ago

Corporate entities are in control. They wouldn’t stand for it.

MS has been very aware of how ai-adverse corp has been. They’ve had to write out policy specifically for ai-use even though their existing policy covered it. Corp lawyers have scrutinized this ad nauseam.

This isn’t a closed source issue. It’s a legal issue that would end MS’s existence if it were violated. MS doesn’t make money off of selling windows licenses. It’s m365.

[-] kynzo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

You are still missing the point, yes that would be all true but only if you can prove that they are violating anything.. Which you can't since it is closed sourced.

Microsoft as every company like this makes money from selling your data and manipulating you. 

[-] Brkdncr@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago

Ai would be regurgitating data that it shouldn’t have access to outside of your tenant. That isn’t happening. That’s how you know.

[-] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago

Corporate entities are in control of the copyrights of a lot of the training materials used to train ai, too.

[-] deHaga@feddit.uk 0 points 2 weeks ago
[-] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

Idk how I didn't think of that, my goodness

[-] tyrant@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

I'd carefully review policies of Dropbox or any company to make sure you aren't just jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire. If I was you I'd look into one of the encrypted services others have mentioned. Or even just email an encrypted PDF to them on the regular.

[-] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

I'm going to review my options EXTENSIVELY. My book is the best thing I've ever written and my beta readers are already fans of it and I'm only 3 chapters in.

[-] crank0271@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

This sounds really exciting. Can't wait to hear more about your book.

[-] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

Thank you! I plan to share it here on Lemmy once I get published. I'm having so much fun with it. It's SUPER different than my usual writing an it is honestly a blast

Seriously. Share a link to it when it's ready.

[-] kynzo@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I see many great suggestions here so I am only gonna add one thing to them: consider self hosting if you care about privacy and owning your own work. Something like nextcloud has all of the features of google drive/docs built in and much more and these days really isn't that hard to expensive to setup.

[-] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

I am def getting into self hosting. My biodad actually got me a raspberry pi for xmas so I can start learning Linux so I can start self hosting a bunch of shit

[-] Xander221@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Self hosting is a fun hobby. I set Nextcloud up for myself and love it! If you're just getting in, I would look at a "NUC"-like mini pc to run services on. They are a bit more expensive, but you get better performance.

[-] owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca -1 points 2 weeks ago

Proton is probably the easiest—their free tier might even be enough for your use case.

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