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People who expatriate from their home country typically dont have nice things to say about it. Its scary to me that so many people uncritically accept their opinions as fact.
Its been years since I left my country (not Venezuela) and I love it.
Still, I like to joke that people that leave a country (like myself) are weird or phrased slightly differently they're statistically not representative. I've noticed that I have a habit of meeting a small number of people from a country and overgeneralising and that's particularly error prone when they're traveler's I've met somewhere or expats
In this case though, as much as I'd argue the US is violating the law and international balance in a way that I think could lead to some futures I don't like, I still think its reasonable for a lot of individuals to want a leader that causes harm to no longer be the leader. It's also pretty human to no longer care how that happens.
I'm ignorant on the ground but I'm not sure that focusing on the possible overgeneralisation is that productive. It kind of reminds me of early issues with ICE in the US: the right to defend yourself being removed is a problem regardless of if they're a good or bad guy since the same logic can be applied to anyone. The good guy bad guy thing is very effective at motivating mobs though
Uncritically accepting anything is always a problem. In this case, American Venezuelans are not representative of their entire home country, as OP says. But on the other hand they likely know more about Venezuela than the average American, so I wouldn’t reject what they have to say categorically either.
It's scary that so many people uncritically accept any opinions as fact
So its like American Cubans?
Exactly like American Cubans
And most groups really. The dynamics are often the same. We see the folks who were wealthy and discontent enough to leave. It can’t be overstated how expensive it can be to move to the US from some places. People have to save for years just for the airfare.
Wealthy? They literally were asking for food on the streets and sleeping in the parks
We’re taking about on the scale of their home country. Most Venezuelans couldn’t even manage to get themselves here to be beggars.
Which is more tragic. Imagine starving to death in your own country and o ly the ones who have $20 with luck can go out. How this is a justification for maduros regime?
What? It’s not. The point stands that mostly in the US you meet a very select group of people from other countries, usually of more means, usually with some reason why they left. You are working very hard to not understand something pretty basic. It’s like you’ve never known an immigrant.
You spelled Gusano wrong
At this point more like their kids.
Please, Mr. Gusano is my father. Call me class traitor
And Turkish people in Europe.
It happens with almost any latin american community in the USA. It happens with almost latin american community on internet.
For example, r/Colombia or r/Bogota are huge echo chambers of daddys's boys, neoliberals and even cardboard-colored neonazis who don't have a grasp about the complexities of the country and seem to live in a bubble. i.e. they make fun of people who don't have Netflix... on a Country where less than 50% of people have internet access, not everyone has a TV and there are places where you only can tune a couple of AM radio stations.
Pretty sure something similar happens with almost every latin american country community on the internet or in a so-called "first world" country.
That being said, some Venezuelans deny criminal organizations like "Tren de Aragua" are real or that venezuelans are running them, be Maduro supporters or not. But they're real and are extorting and killing people in other countries in Latin America. This is not to say every venezuelan is a criminal, but not every venezuelan is a saint.
Our countries' reality is way, way more complex than people in the USA realize.
isnt that an issue with social media as a whole, most people using social media are idle rich or otherwise low-skilled/desk job types with loads of free time on their hands to be on social media.
the proper working class tends to use social media minimally, generally just using it to keep in contact/up-to-date with extended family
it’s also likely they know the formula: “show support not protest because protest will get you ICE’d.”
This is true for almost every expat/immigrant community I've interacted with, including my own. It's pretty obvious in voting pattern differences between the expat community and the native country. The far right gets 30-40% among Bulgarians in Canada compared to 10-20% back home. The left gets 1-2% here compared to 7-10% back home.
This can also be said of the Cuban diaspora. So many people that I know (including those in my family) will shit talk "communism" and praise Trump as if he was their own personal savior. They don't even have a rudimentary understanding of Marxism let alone leftist political thought as a whole. Yes, Soviet-style Marxism-Leninism led to authoritarianism and the Castro regime wasn't great. But do you really someone like Flugencio or (for a modern reference) Bukele serving US capitalist interests?
I feel like I'm a rare breed of anti-communist that also isn't anti-leftist.
I was born in PRC, I hate the CCP for both it's politics and on a personal level (2nd child born under One Child Policy, which they tried to "terminate" me)
That said, I, as an immigrant to the US, I also despise the far-right. I never supported the republican party I always supported Democrats, despite me being pro-gun (cuz I'm not a single-issue voter), and more specifically, I support progressivism, like I liked Bernie the moment I heard about the Medicare 4 All and that sort of stuff (but wasn't old enough to vote at the time). Like why the fuck would I support an ideology that wants to deport me? Lmfao. I know my history, I know of the Chinese Exclusion Act. Don't want that shit to happen again.
I like Mamdani (I'm not a New Yorker anymore, used to live in NYC), cuz I know he ain't a communist (as in the authoritarian stuff). A Democratic Socialist is not a communist.
I have nuance, normie don't understand shit and instantly defaults to campism.
Oh yes, the 7.9 million wealthy millionaires that...walked through a deadly jungle... to get to the US.
Please, Lemmy, stop trying to talk about Venezuelans as if you know shit. You don't know jack.
Also, this post is extremely xenophobic, racist and classicist, the fact that mods let it stand is a shame.
Never said they were all millionaires, only that they tend to be wealthier. In general immigrants from developing countries are on the higher end of income from the country they emigrate from.
Also 7.9 million Venezuelans did not cross the Darien gap, most Venezuelan migrants stayed in South America in neighboring countries like Colombia, Brazil and Ecuador. Those that could afford it did make their way to the US but not all of them crossed the Darien gap and could've taken alternate safer and more expensive routes, if not legal routes including hopping on a plane.
I fail to see how it's any of those things you just mentioned, I didn't say don't listen to Venezuelans or even don't listen to the Venezuelans in the US, I'm pointing out the biases that that group possess and telling people not to overgeneralize and think "all the Venezuelans here are cheering, so every Venezuelan must love this" . Saying that emigre Venezuelans are representative of Venezuelans as a whole would be racist, classist, xenophobic etc.
Still xenophobic. And your source is very open that it has selection bias and aggregation methodological issues. Essentially, it describes how migration as an aggregate, all across the world seems to function, disregarding individual peculiarities, within the people they managed to access. Migration from India to the UK doesn't function the same as migration from Lybia to France, or Mexico to the USA and most definitely not from Venezuela to the myriad of counties the diaspora has found themselves in.
Poor immigrants do not account in this data, as they weren't interviewed, are the most likely to be undocumented, and thus avoid attention and refuse interviews the most. It also most definitely ignores the peculiarities of Venezuelan migration. It might inform some political decision makers on a very broad and vague way. But it is an extraordinarily narrow, incomplete and impractical understanding of the issue.
What Venezuelans do with Venezuela is their own business.
For many Venezuelans seeing Maduro go is a good thing. At the same time kidnapping a foreign leader is just wrong and will have long term negative repercussions. Both being true doesn't invalidate each other.
YSK Maduro was fully impeached by the Venezuelan version of Congress and he used his military power to just stay in office and further silence dissent. Your post is either ill informed at best or at worst propaganda. The US does a lot of terrible things and this likely not the way or time to do this. 20-25% of Venezuelans have left and those were the ones with the will or luck to do so. Imagine how many others want to leave. Of the 75-80% of the population maybe support has grown just using math of the opposers leaving. Those people probably want to go back to their country if it were in a state to return to.
Point to me which statement I made was ill informed or propagandistic. I never said Maduro has majority support, I said the opposite in fact, or that everyone over there loves Maduro. Just that they don't to a person hate him like the Venezuelans do over here and warning people not to take their opinions as representative of Venezuelans as a whole.
Many news outlets are showing cheering crowds in south Florida as a sign Venezuelans are happy for this. Like I said in the original post, yes they do represent a large chunk of Venezuelans who hate Maduro and left. The opinions of Venezuelans who like Maduro and stayed are noticeably absent though and they represent another large chunk of the population.
I never said to outright dismiss there opinions, just to know that it's biased and to be aware that there are differing opinions, how is that propaganda?
In political science, we determine the opinion of a populace using something called elections, and well, you can see how that went...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Venezuelan_presidential_election
So poly sci says that all russians love putin? And kim jung un (or whatever his name is) is the most popular leader in the world?
Maduro and Trump are friends
Maduro gets to escape his country and save face instead of being assassinated or executed.
Trump gets to manufacture a conflict so he can start martial law and become a dictator, and to distract from us learning he came inside little girls.
Trump doesn't have any friends, and by that I mean his severe narcissism prevents his brain from ever being able to form healthy two-way personal relationships with anyone. In his mind, everyone else exists solely to service or benefit him, even those in his own family. He desperately wants to impress those he sees as powerful, like Kim, Erdoğan, and Putin, so he does things that he thinks will make them like him.
Jesus this is a bad take
80 people were killed, cities were bombed, and we've got shits on here doing "it was an inside job, aktuly"
Fucking vile.
The only thing this is about is Trump getting PERSONAL control of the oil, so he can be as wealthy as his friends the Saudis.
I don't know about this. He's gotta know that it's incredibly unlikely that he'll live to see any profits from Venezuelan oil. It'll take way longer than he's got left to actually make a sizable amount of money from it.
I don't know why anyone is buying that propaganda. They've been stopping huge oil tankers filled with Venezuelan oil. They're producing enough oil that we wanted it, and plenty of other countries are pissed that we're taking it from them.
Of course Trump only cares about the oil. Has everyone been asleep for the last decade?
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