That's about the least Iroh thing to say. Congrats for the quality shitpost I guess.
It's not the least Iron thing to say. Even he said "Azula is crazy, and she needs to go down."
Maybe not kill, but definitely take down and away from wider society to live in a dark, small place.
It’s Iroh-nic, don’t you think?
"But I can't just KILL Ozai! wHaT aBoUt wHaT tHe mOnKs tAuGhT mE?" -The "hero" of the story lmfao
(yes I get it, it's supposed to be a kids show, but still...)
Korra is also like extremely lib pilled (THe entire message is like "Extremism is bad folks")
They painted Anarchists as bad. But I say KILL THE EARTH MONARCH LMFAO. (Didn't even watch the whole thing, got too boring, so I just read the wikis)
The anarchists were trying to kill Korra and break the avatar cycle later on because reasons. Pretty sure they didn't want to risk another Kyoshi, which in all honesty valid. Also they kidnapped the new air nomads but I think that was so they could kidnap Korra so... Yeah.
Legit I think Korra would've joined them had they not started fucking with her, especially since outside of Zuko, Tenzin, and her own father damned near every person in power she encountered was a damned fine example of why they were right.
Legend of Korra fucked up by making every one of the bad guys except season 2s somewhat reasonable. Amon was a hypocrite but not necessarily wrong from a historical point of view (Dai lee, fire nation), the Red Lotus were just anarchists who went a bit far, and I got bored with season 4 so I can't remember anything about Earth Nation female Bismarck.
Naw write then a STRONGLY worded letter. That would have fixed Hitler and Mussolini.
Okay here's an opinion that'll get me down voted to oblivion but here goes:
Violence is like symptom management. If you're hurting, seriously injured etc. get that morphine. But keep using it and it becomes dependency. It's a short term solution to one specific problem and rarely solves the underlying causes. Unless you can do that, you'll be back to using violence as symptom management. Only the next time you'll need more of it, just like heroin.
Famously, the human rights gained by movements using violent tactics, such as the abolitionists, suffragettes, the civil rights movement, the ANC, were all very short-lived. Hollow victories, all.
Are you being sarcastic? Because we're still reaping the benefits of all of those. Violently gained interracial marriage got legalized at 25% public support while peacefully gained gay marriage only got legalized at 65% popular support. Peacefully won trans right are more fragile than violently won labor rights.
"If you kill a killer the number of killers in the world is unchanged"
"So I should kill multiple killers"
"Hol' up"
“Tonight’s the night….”
-Needlessly creepy breakfast montage plays-
This is silly. Everyone knows, historically, you stop opressors by asking nicely. Maybe go into the street in a funny costume or something, organize a singalong. Violence is what the baddies do.
Nonviolent resistance exists, been explained before, & has been done before. It also takes more courage.
There's a reason it's pushed so hard, and it's because people in power don't want to lose the golden goose that is American apathy. They can oppress us as much as they want, and we think having the moral superiority of taking it on the chin makes us strong. It doesn't.
Counterpoint:
I mean, stripping oppressor of his power and letting him live "normally" is the cruelest thing you can do for such pitty people.
but i want a jar of their teeth :c
why not both?
If we're fine with resorting to violence to get what we want, we're no better than them. If you kill a murderer, the number of murderers in the world remains the same...
BUT, this doesn't mean we should never, ever resort to force as a final, last, desperate act, but only when there's no other option.
I dunno man, killing a genocidal maniac makes someone a hero in my book.
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It is natural to feel anger when one has been wronged. Even the gentlest river becomes violent when dammed for too long. But we must be careful, my friend, not to mistake the force of our feelings for the wisdom of our actions.
You ask why one should not kill their oppressors. The answer is not because they are strong, nor because they deserve mercy, nor because the world would punish you. It is because when you choose to do evil in the name of justice, you quietly invite that evil to live inside you. And once it is settled there, it does not leave easily.
You may believe you are striking only your enemy, but violence has a poor sense of direction. It spills into the soul, changing the person who wields it. The moment you decide that a “good reason” excuses a cruel act, you teach your heart that cruelty can be justified. Soon, it will begin to justify itself.
Oppression is a heavy chain, but hatred forges a second one, but this time around your own spirit. If you destroy another to feel free, you may discover that freedom never arrived, and only the destruction remained. True victory is not standing over your enemy’s body. True victory is refusing to become what hurt you. It is choosing a path that allows you to look at yourself in the mirror without turning away. The right reasons lose their meaning when they are carried by wrong actions. Like tea made with poisoned water, no matter how fine the leaves, the cup will only bring sickness.
So no - do not kill your oppressors. Not for their sake, but for yours. Because the most important battle is not against them, but against the part of yourself that believes goodness can be built from blood.
Cor, it’s a good job Hitler killed himself instead of somebody having to live with that evil, init?
Yeah, those in power always preach peace to preserve the status quo. But what about the suffragettes? The black Panthers? What about the Italian resistance? What about the Warsaw ghetto uprising?
Sometimes it's not about our souls, not about our own psychical wellbeing. It's about the liberation of all. About justice. About making the bastards pay. About showing the world that there's a limit to what people can be made to do and suffer.
Violence is the last resort of the desperate, no doubt. It's not fun. It does taint. It's fucking tragic.
But we are living in increasingly desperate times. Who can deny that? And its just not about us as individuals anymore. That's the message here.
Yeah, those in power always preach peace to preserve the status quo.
Those in power are interested in provoking violence to delegitimize a cause. Violence is their playbook: they know to how to retaliate against violence with violence. Repressing nonviolent resistance, however, backfires: when the government's illegitimate violence is harder to contest, more people condemn the government’s use of force and shift their support away from the regime. Nonviolence is harder to deal with, attracts people, and leads to “defections” within institutions sustaining authoritarian regimes.
Such movements are statistically more effective at combatting authoritarianism than violent resistance. Where violence fails, nonviolence has succeeded in overcoming oppression & authoritarian rule. This documentary covers multiple instances of that happening in the 20th century in India, USA, South Africa, Denmark, Poland, Chile.
Moreover, nonviolence isn't passive: it can range from quiet acts of disruption to consumer boycotts to walkouts to large-scale protests. When large numbers of people engage in acts of defiance and non-cooperation, they can take power back from a repressive regime.
It takes greater courage to resist injustice nonviolently. Plus, you may have seen the post months ago on research that shows nonviolent protest is more successful than the alternative.
The message is that intuition is fallible, and we should follow the historical evidence & research.
Nah, fuck that. What are they supposed to do? Roll over and continue being oppressed? End your oppression not just for your sake but for the sake of everyone else whom they may oppress too.
Oh man, just take this ❤️
This is beautiful and I want to agree with you.
Mostly I disagree that violence taints your soul permanently. I believe it is this line of thinking that has led the repetition of violence throughout history. Those who wish to do harm are never treated with strongly enough and so they persist. They are readily allowed access to others to harm as they please. Perhaps we can stave off states doing it with the right government types but there will be those in the general populace that desire harm for others and they will strive to upend that government at all times.
My opinion is: oppression deserves reciprocal violence an order of magnitude above and immediately.
I disagree that violence taints your soul permanently.
This depends upon your own morals, personal justifications, and probably a ton of other factors.
I think the idea is that it’s something you are going to have to live with, one way or another. You might hurt an innocent by accident, do more damage than intended (most people would struggle to live with having killed someone, for example), or even harm yourself irreparably. You might cause people to look at you differently, you might have the wrong information, you might change the course of your life permanently.
Violence is a very complicated subject, but perpetrators of it are, indeed, always marked in some way by it, just like every other experience you have.
Our whole system is based on the systematic oppression and violence on marginalized groups and countries. Taking direct violence on perpetuators of the system of exploitation and death is just directly addressing it, instead of allowing ourselves to continue to benefit from unseen pain and suffering. It seems allowing yourself to continue benefiting from evil would be more soul tainting than using violence to help others.
Bruh, you dont even have to use violence, if everyone stopped working, paying taxes and consuming anything that the bare minimum for survival, the country would collapse in less than a month.
How many times exactly has that happened in history? Revolutions are famously not peaceful. Not that they shouldn't happen, they absolutely should, but the people in power don't just go "oh shucks, guess I'll give it all up!"
Cycles of violence.
if you have oppressors, chances are that cycle is already alive and well without your input anyway.
Yeah. The question is whether to work to continue the cycle or work to break it.
How does one overthrow the shackles of oppression without violence?
That's a hard question and I don't know. I don't know that a strictly nonviolent movement can work if there's a critical mass of oppressors who believe that those they oppress deserve to be oppressed. I think the theory of nonviolent resistance is built on an assumption that, deep down, we all know that what oppressors do is wrong and that there is a contrivance of convenience that allows oppressors to except themselves, or simply ignore that knowledge. I don't know if that deep down knowledge is universal. But I know from personal experience it's quite easy to ignore it, especially when one's own life is hard, or when the oppression is mostly hidden from view, or simply when the problem of oppression seems overwhelming and unassailable. I believe that most people who don't try to resist oppression either disapprove but feel helpless in the face of it, or they benefit from it and therefore try to justify it, or usually a combination of the two. If that belief is correct, then the answer I think is one of education. Give people the tools they need to fight nonviolently: Educate about local elections, form citizen watchdog groups, show how propaganda uses common tropes to reinforce ideas about the "inherent criminality" of the oppressed, teach the history of how oligarchs use flunkies like trump to implement favorable policies while deflecting blame onto minorities, and the million other things that people need to know to have a well functioning society. Use shame to dislodge the privileged from their comfortable niches and force them to answer for the consequences of their actions or lack thereof.
I think, especially now in America, this seems so far away that even to seriously consider it seems fanciful. Maybe it is. Maybe we're at the point where violence is necessary to jerk us back from the cliff of autocracy. It certainly seems like trump and his goons want a fight, and it seems likely that sooner or later they'll get one. But I don't think violence can be solved with violence, and even if America goes through some violent convulsions I don't think they'll end us in a place where we aren't doing violence to each other. Nonviolence requires nonviolence.
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