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submitted 1 month ago by Charger8232@lemmy.ml to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

Privacy for me has been incredibly rewarding, but when talking to people who haven't been introduced to privacy, there are occasionally some moments that make it exhausting. One conversation in particular is one that I've had to go through dozens of times, and it always goes along these lines:

  • Alice: Why is your phone in airplane mode? / What's your phone number?
  • Bob: I don't have a carrier.
  • Alice: But you have a phone.
  • Bob: Yes.
  • Alice: How do you not have a carrier?
  • Bob: Phones can come without a carrier.
  • Alice: What do you use it for?
  • Bob: Everything you use yours for.
  • Alice: How do you talk to people?
  • Bob: Messaging apps over Wi-Fi.
  • Alice: What if you don't have Wi-Fi?
  • Bob: Public Wi-Fi is everywhere. If I don't have Wi-Fi, I likely don't need to get in touch.
  • Alice: What about emergencies?
  • Bob: I can still contact emergency services.

Each time it happens, it has a unique flavor. One person accused me of lying and then fraud. I know people are just curious and don't mean to be rude, but it makes me die a little inside every time someone asks. I've begun trying to sidestep the conversation entirely:

  • Alice: Why is your phone in airplane mode?
  • Bob: To save battery.

or:

  • Alice: What's your phone number?
  • Bob: You can contact me with an app called Signal.

People seem to think that a phone automatically comes with a carrier and that it'll stop working if you don't have one. In reality, I'm saving hundreds of dollars per year while avoiding spam, fraud, breaches, surveillance, and being chronically online. People have a hard time coping with those who do things a little differently.

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[-] comrade_twisty@feddit.org 49 points 1 month ago

How are you using Signal without a phone number? - asking cause I genuinely would love to do so!

[-] Charger8232@lemmy.ml 47 points 1 month ago

You can sign up using a VoIP number or a burner phone.

[-] jnod4@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 month ago

So then you still need to give them a phone number to get texted on signal?

[-] Charger8232@lemmy.ml 47 points 1 month ago

Signal requires a phone number to register, but I can hand out my username without giving them the phone number I registered with.

[-] rollin@piefed.social 16 points 1 month ago

if the number you registered with eventually gets recycled to someone who then uses it for Signal, will that affect your account?

[-] akilou@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 month ago

If that person registers with Signal then this guy loses his account and username. All new messages sent to his username will get sent to the new person's phone but the new person won't have any of the history.

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[-] leadore@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

So it's still yes, you do have to have a phone number.

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[-] 4am@lemmy.zip 47 points 1 month ago

Just keep in mind that the purpose of Airplane Mode is to prevent transmission. Your phone might still be receiving signals like GPS and WiFi SSIDs, which it can record to be transmitted later.

If you really don’t want to be tracked, leave it home.

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[-] Hawk5000@lemmy.ml 32 points 1 month ago

Do you use your phone for navigation when driving? Any good app recommendations for navigating without cellular data?

[-] Charger8232@lemmy.ml 58 points 1 month ago
[-] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 month ago

Ultimate Lemming:

  1. Cycles only, detects cars
  2. Uses CoMaps
  3. Uses Archlinux?

Im just jokin with ya 😉

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[-] hansolo@lemmy.today 18 points 1 month ago

I can second CoMaps. Works great when I'm somewhere and don't have a local SIM.

[-] Lysergid@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago

Last time I checked, you can use GPS without carrier. GPS, and GNSS in general, is separate set of satellites. With cellular It’s just more precise since initial triangulation facilitated by cell towers. I recently was mid 5 hours flight and was able to see my location in google maps despite being in flight mode

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[-] BandanaBug@piefed.social 29 points 1 month ago

Privacy but using public WiFi?..

[-] Charger8232@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 month ago

My devices distrust any network, and I always use a VPN. It's obviously not my first choice, but it can still be done safe enough.

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[-] freedickpics@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The threat of public wifi isn't as big of a deal as it used to be. Before widespread VPNs and when internet traffic was unencrypted, anything you transmitted could be read by someone else on the network. But nowadays all an eavesdropper would see is what websites you're connecting to (without a VPN) or the VPN if you are using one. Happy to be corrected if I'm mistaken though

[-] chunes@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

Try not having a phone at all. Those conversations are fun

[-] ragas@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

How are you even alive?!

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[-] iamthetot@piefed.ca 20 points 1 month ago

I would not be comfortable not having mobile signal. Public WiFi is not going to cut it. Even a 0.00001% chance that I'd miss an important call from my partner is no bueno for me.

[-] leadore@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

I thought you had to have a phone number to use Signal.

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[-] eru@mouse.chitanda.moe 19 points 1 month ago

you can use services like jmp.chat to get a reliable number anonymously for verifying anything that requires one

[-] FreddiesLantern@leminal.space 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I’m someone who likes to walk the path less traveled in general. And in general I’ve found that people don’t respond well to such things. Especially when you explain them in dept. “Oh they choose to be different huh? => let’s ridicule them to cover up our own insecurities”

I’ve learned through trial, error and ridicule that people need to earn the right to an explanation to these matters.

I’m not gonna explain to Joe Shmoe that I use Linux because I’m doing my part in not giving the uprise in fascism the steady flow of data they want to increase their influence over the world.

They’d never understand. They gotta earn that by proving they care about the topic.

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[-] artyom@piefed.social 16 points 1 month ago

I made a website whose entire existence is dedicated to my "profile" (myname.com). So when someone asks for contact info, I send them there. It gives them the opportunity to contact me using their preferred method, as well as being able to easily find it in the future if they lose it or I change it.

It has:

  • phone # (obv could be omitted)
  • email
  • link to Signal
  • link to ArcaneChat
  • link to Matrix
  • link to SimpleX
  • my blog
  • Mastodon
  • Steam
  • Zelle
  • etc.

It's also the first link that comes up, or one of the first, for most people, if they Google me. I also carry basically a business card, but without the business, with QR code and domain.

[-] Charger8232@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 month ago

I also carry basically a business card, but without the business, with QR code and domain.

I wanted to do this and only put my contact for my SimpleX Chat, but good business cards are expensive!

[-] XLE@piefed.social 17 points 1 month ago

Especially if you're looking for that perfect shade of white.

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[-] sodalite@slrpnk.net 16 points 1 month ago

oh wow. mine actually is airplane mode to save battery. TIL.

[-] Sunsofold@lemmings.world 16 points 1 month ago

Public wi-fi is definitely not everywhere, but yeah, either you take joy in sharing the knowledge you have or you end up being a bit rude to prevent being asked.

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[-] termaxima@slrpnk.net 15 points 1 month ago

I considered this option, but public WiFi is not ubiquitous enough here (in France) for my usage, and I believe a SIM card is absolutely required even for emergency services, which is what ultimately turned me off the idea.

[-] Charger8232@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 month ago

in France

My heart goes out to privacy enthusiasts in France. You guys are really going through it right now.

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[-] adespoton@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 month ago

Something I’ve been investigating is setting up a meshtastic node at home with the expansion board. This gives me a 15-20km range for basic signal, which is more than enough for most stuff I want to do, and I can connect to other nodes in the area when needed.

I’d still need to add a temporary eSIM when traveling sometimes, but that can be a temporary thing.

[-] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 month ago

If you explain yourself, people take that as meaning it's up for debate. Better to say "I like it that way".

I considered swapping to a flip-phone but stopped because I need to be able to access my banking app when near ATM's. My card only ever has the bare minimum amount of money on it so that theft isn't a concern.

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[-] HubertManne@piefed.social 11 points 1 month ago

phone is the new cigarettes for me. I was a long hair but never smoked. People would ask me for a smoke and I would say I don't smoke and I would usually get a glare. Like I secretly had them on me. Just the other day someone asked if I could call their phone because I lost it and I said I don't carry my pone when I walk the dog because im so close to home (I do not). Businesses want me to do something with an app and Im like I don't use a smartphone (I have one for work but since I would not get one for personal reasons as far as im concerned I don't have one because I don't want to use it like that. I will use it as a camera but not to scan qr codes).

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[-] eleitl@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 month ago

My GrapheneOS phone is in airplane mode with cellular disabled and WiFi on.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Playing devil’s advocate, I think it’s reasonable to have a load-up-minutes dumb phone, in case family dies or something and they don’t have access to the right app. That’s reasonable for close family to get upset about.

But you also don’t have to give that number out, heh.

I guess you could use Google Voice too, but that’s a bit… counterproductive unless you can sandbox the app.

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[-] utopiah@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

So... I'm kind of in the same situation but mine is actually by mistake. Namely my SIM somehow (OK maybe I tinkered with eSIM a bit much... anyway) works for data and SMS but not for calls. I tried to fix it a bit... then honestly I like it without. Most of the calls I received are not important, nor urgent, and the few that are can leave a message or an SMS.

I stopped relying on my phone for calls entirely and I like it.

When I tell people it doesn't work they just shrug it off and always find a way to contact me without making a big deal out of it.

I still like having a SIM though if only to

  • check where I am on a path the first time I get there
  • know if the person I'm meeting might be late
  • warn if I'm late on the way to somewhere

but typically my phone works well entirely offline (e.g. I do not stream music, I have actual files on my phone) so I understand.

Honestly in your shoes I'd gauge the person, if they are potentially interesting enough to explore the topic with curiosity, I'd be honest. If I just want to move on because they seem obtuse I'd keep it to the minimum.

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