To follow this logic: if you use an e-banking app, Apple will soon claim to be entitled to 30% of all transactions. Same for paypal, ebay, you name it
Well call it tithe for your digital overlord.
God only asks for 10%... shows you what Apple thinks of themselves.
I didn't even know there was a Patreon app. I signed up through the website. On a computer. Old school.
To make this clear: Patreon is a platform mainly used by creators, artists, musicians to get a reliable income directly from their fans. Apple is trying to steal 30% of the income of our favorite artists.
Good thing none of us have iPhones here, right, guys? Right?
Honestly I wouldn't touch Apple products with a bargepole. I dislike closed ecosystems
You’d rather be spied on constantly by the largest panopticon ever created, because they allow sideloading.
Honestly this is voting for Trump over Kamala; we need a viable alternative. Why have they taken personal computing from us?
Its not closed
The door is just very very tiny
Been locked in this ecosystem for a while guys. I'm not proud of it.
Never too late to switch to GrapheneOS.
It’s better than the alternatives, unfortunately. I really want to dump Apple; the products are waning in quality and the company is spending a lot of time genuflecting for king tangerine. But it just works.
“Just install grapheneOS” my brother in Christ, I have no time or interest in fucking up with the primary communication device I rely on to reach family, friends, and work. I don’t have time for the hobbies I want to do let alone adding work-adjacent activities under the cloak of a hobby.
The ecosystem is really seamless, especially with a MacBook and Apple watch in the mix.
Though I don’t think there is any winning in the smartphone space. There is a duopoly and even if you personally use graphineOS you still are benefitting and helping the Google ecosystem by using Android apps.
Sadly I don’t think we can “vote with our wallets” on smartphones. We need legal legislation that forces both Apple and Google to be consumer friendly.
Yes! Exploit the morons as much as they're willing to be exploited!
None of them have the brains/balls to fight back.
I fucking hate mega corps. It's never fucking enough... Ever... Apple has more money than some countries yet these assholes want ever more....
Tax all these assholes into oblivion!
So, all business is becoming a protection racket?
Gotta love walled gardens! /s
There are a few EU alternatives. Why are those not being considered.
LiberaPay is one.
Technofeudalism.
Makes me think why ever since Photoshop was first created, Apple became the go-to for creatives for decades, and now Apple thinks it wants more money than just the fanatics going after their latest product.
"Walled garden initiates universal tollbooth policy overhaul."
Why isn't Apple trying to take 30% of all purchases through the Amazon app? Or eBay? Or your local grocery delivery? It's the same exact thing. Such a stupid greedy fucking attempt
kinda like how youtube takes massive cut of ad revenue, which is why they switch to patreon, brand deal and promotions. 30% is pretty steep for small content creators, that isnt peddling right wing grifting.
Why does Apple feel they deserve a 30% cut? In cases like this, Apple aren't providing any value at all.
Sure, Apple are providing a payments platform, but why do they deserve 10x what Stripe charges?
It's just platform-milking, just like Meetup.com's latest antics; there isn't deep analysis needed to everything, haha. "Capitalism" is totally a legitimate answer despite being just one word.
Meetup is now owned by Bending Spoons, who have also enshittified wetransfer, Evernote, eventbrite, AOL, vimeo. They buy decent products that never exploded to ipo status, fire everyone and milk the rest for whatever they can charge.
Choose another payment method. Choose another platform - web based? - where these fees don't apply. Hell, buy a throwaway droid phone to keep your money from apple's greedy hands.
Hasn't this type of thing already been litigated?
Yes, it has. And Apple (mostly) won.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_Games_v._Apple
In January 2024, the Supreme Court denied the full appeals of both Apple and Epic in the case, leaving the case primarily a victory for Apple in allowing them to continue restricting app distribution to their App Store and to continue restricting in-app purchases to Apple's payment systems, but requiring Apple to allow developers to link to external websites offering alternate payment options (off-app purchases).
How does everyone feel about the googs announcing an end to side loading?
https://troypoint.com/google-confirms-android-sideloading-restrictions-for-2026/
Not good.
There have been countless threads on the subject.
https://lemmy.world/post/42124818
https://mander.xyz/post/45953148
https://sh.itjust.works/post/46320374
https://reddthat.com/post/49485312
And so on. Sorry for the non instance-agnostic links.
We will need an alternative to Patreon that even people on Patreon can go to
Liberapay, Kofi
No, you need an alternative to apps in the Apple app store, which already exist. Don't pay for anything through an app on an Apple device, they will rob the creator. Pay through the Patreon web site.
Yet another reason to never ever use Apple. So if I just use the Patreon website and not an app, do I still have to give Apple 30% of my money? Seems like that should be illegal.
Thats exactly how it works for twitch and other stuff. If you're on mobile go to the website instead of the app otherwise they take a cut
It's wild that Steam is getting a class action lawsuit for charging 30% right now, and Apple doing shit like this at the same percentage and legally is getting a free pass.
I'll throw a hat in the ring here. It's because Steam has a grip on the gaming market that others want instead of them. That's it, they want that money instead of Valve. Apple is getting a pass on this because it's just fucking over the common guy which businesses couldn't care less about.
I hope Patreon will just switch off the ability to pay through the iOS app, along with a nice fuck you-message to Apple that pops up when you first open the app
Last time this came up Patreon simply allowed the creators to charge the commission directly on top of the price for non apple users, or eat the 30% loss. So everyone not using iOS would pay, say, $5/month, iOS users would pay $5+30%. Hope they retain that option.
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