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I’ll be straight with it. I’m a smoker, I smoke inside, I have a PC that is also inside. I want to clean my PC thoroughly to buy it a few more years. I know about the q tip method, and the compressed air, and general methods of cleaning out gunk and junk from PC parts. But this boy is way too gunked up for a regular cleaning. So, I reckon, the easiest way to clean it is to dunk the dirtiest parts in a bath of isopropyl alcohol. I was considering acetone at first, but it’s way too strong of a solvent, and alcohol should be better at dissolving organic residues. Is this a good idea?

I hereby submit this query to the council, and await judgement.

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[-] over_clox@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Extreme case story here..

I had a fella bring his computer into our shop for diagnostics and hopefully repair after a house fire. The case was originally light grey, but it was covered outside and even inside with nasty stinking black soot and the front panel was mostly melted.

We checked it out though, the PSU had failed. So we pulled out our test PSU and tried that, and the nasty stinking computer actually booted up!

Well, the boss didn't want to be responsible for this mess, so he told me I could take it as a side job if the customer really wanted it fixed. He already knew that I've successfully salvaged flood damage computers, so why not?

Anyways, I took the motherboard and expansion cards out and took them to our local car wash. I soaked the boards with tire/engine cleaner, then pressure washed the crud away with plain water. Then I used an air compressor to dry it as best as I could, and then left it on the roof of my car in the hot sun for like 4 hours.

Everything worked fine after all that, so I hooked him up with a spare computer case I had laying around to replace his nasty half melted case.

You can actually pressure wash the circuit boards as long as there's no power (do NOT pressure wash the PSU at all!), as long as the boards are completely dry and clean before reassembling and powering it back up. Just, be careful around any sensitive parts, and do not pressure wash the CPU socket, unless you like all your precious pins bent. Also, don't pressure wash the fans or mechanical drives or such.

This technique isn't for the faint of heart though, and I usually only reserve such drastic measures for boards that have already failed due to spill damage, corrosion, or other extremes where the board would otherwise end up in the scrap pile.

[-] village604@adultswim.fan 5 points 3 weeks ago

This is wild because my coworker was just telling me about his parents' desktop that was in a house fire plus all of the water from fighting the house fire. After a week of drying off it booted up without issue.

[-] over_clox@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

That's cool 👍

I'd still end up cleaning it, both to avoid future corrosion, plus that soot freaking stinks!

[-] thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Water only causes and issue if there's a charge and or minerals in the water making it more conductive. Plain water is actually quite a good insulator.

I washed a drone flight controller in deionized water after a lithium battery exploded on it and it got it back up and going

[-] Tayb@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Isopropyl alcohol and a toothbrush. Turn off power to the PC. Hold power button for a minute. Unplug and disassemble. Get one of those chemistry squirt bottles (google lab wash bottle) to put the alcohol in, squirt it on the place to clean, brush with the toothbrush. Repeat until at desired cleanliness. Then take canned air and spray out under all the parts. Allow to dry. It's dry when you can spray under the big components and not get any alcohol out.

I used to assemble, test, repair, and clean PCBs of all shapes and sizes. That's what we did when we had to spot clean a board after a repair.

The jankiest way I've cleaned a PCB was to run it through the dishwasher without detergent, then wash it down with RODI water to demineralize, then alcohol to displace the water. It works, but you gotta be damn sure that you've washed away any mineral deposits and given it plenty of time to dry.

[-] Doom@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

When I worked at an eltronics recycling center (we repaired and resold PCs and printers) we used isopropyl alcohol in spray bottles to clean pc parts. It worked really well. Don't dunk anything! Just carefully disassemble, spray the part (let the run off fall onto a collection pad), and let it completely dry before reassembly. It may take a few rounds depending on how dirty the part is, resist any temptation to scrub off build up on electrical components. If contaminates absolutely will not come off use a circuit board cleaning "paint brush" with circuit board pcb cleaner to gently clear it or better yet, leave it be. The enemy of good is perfect.

WARNINGS: Wear gloves, eye protection, and a mask. Follow all ESD safety protocols to protect computer parts. If you disassemble the cpu add more thermal paste. DON'T SPRAY THE PSU, if necessary use alcohol on a wash cloth for the PSU exterior. You can speed up dry time by air blowing excess liquid off but be aware this may splatter dirty droplets around the space. Only clean your PC like this in a well ventilated space. Only attempt this if you are comfortable disassembling and reassembling your pc. However long YOU think your computer needs to be fully dry, double that time to be safe.

Also as a bonus. You can put non electric components in the dishwasher. No soap, no heat, as long as they fit and won't get dinged up by moving dishwasher parts. SERIOUSLY DO NOT HEAT DRY OR WASH ON HIGH HEAT.

I also throw my mechanical keyboards in there but there's always a chance they won't work after - so far tho it's been a success (obviously I make sure they are fully dry before I use them . If you attempt this - at your own risk.

[-] village604@adultswim.fan 1 points 3 weeks ago

But in all reality, spraying the PSU with high concentration IPA is fine so long as you remove it from the power source and mobo, and discharge the caps.

[-] Doom@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

That's true. I usually don't suggest it because when I worked on desktops I developed a philosophy with PSUs of leave them alone if they work and replace them if they don't. In my experience PSUs are extremely tough, and even in the worst conditions rarely failed. It caused more harm then good to mess with them unnecessary.

[-] village604@adultswim.fan 1 points 3 weeks ago

That's definitely fair. They do tend to be the most robust electrical component in a desktop.

[-] wulrus@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

I have an old mainboard from 1990 with emotional value and a leaked BIOS battery. And advice for cleaning that?

[-] Doom@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

Wear gloves and eye protection. Remove that battery and dispose of it in accordance with your local laws.

Gently scrub off and any residual acid with white vinegar and a toothbrush. Brush away or blow off loosened residue until it's gone, just be aware it's acid and where you are are sending the particles.

Let it dry. If the rest of the board needs further cleaning you can use isopropyl alcohol to finish it off.

After it's clean make sure to check for damage before you replace the battery. It's likely fine, but if it's been sitting in acid for a while it never hurts to give the board a look over for shorts, cracks, or solder points that lost contact. If it looks good replace the battery and see if she works.

If you decide to disassemble your board to make cleaning easier, I suggest taking a few pictures first. The old MBs don't have helper notches to ensure parts are placed in the proper orientation and documentation may be hard to come by.

[-] wulrus@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Thanks! The whole PC had a time (when its age was ~20 years) where it still booted, but with reset BIOS settings, followed by a time where it doesn't boot up anymore. So I believe the most likely thing is that it leaked and caused damage. Retro computing community thinks that the most likely cause is battery damage.

Here is the exact model from someone else: https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/msi-3121-v3

Battery (top-left) already removed, but it shows that this one has leaked before as well. When you look closely, you see battery residue on the nearby 8-bit ISA (?), so it must have leaked a lot at some point and been cleaned up. Unfortunately, it came with a notorious Ni-Cd Battery; even for its time not the best.

[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 points 3 weeks ago

I wouldn't submerge them, but taking q-tips to it should be fine as long as you're careful and make sure it is fully dry before plugging everything back in.

[-] Young_Gilgamesh@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Why not submerge them and let the dirt dissolve? What is the danger in doing that?

[-] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 2 points 3 weeks ago

Its not just the dirt that the alcohol will eat away. It'll eat your thermal paste and any adhesives used in manufacturing. Pretty sure it will eat at basically any material if left submerged.

[-] Young_Gilgamesh@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

I'm mostly cleaning heat sinks, surfaces, and circuit boards. I can't reach into some spots even with a q tip, so I'm looking for alternative solutions. I'm pretty sure 10 to 15 minutes submerged in 96% alcohol wouldn't dissolve my PC like styrofoam in acetone. Although I could be wrong, I'm not an expert.

[-] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I just wouldn't submerge the entire thing. Take it apart. Be ready with new thermal paste even for the GPU. Most importantly: stop smoking inside or none of this will matter at all.

[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 0 points 3 weeks ago

You could dissolve things off the board or mess up the microchips if there are any gaps that could be filled with liquid.

[-] village604@adultswim.fan 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Liquid alone doesn't kill electronics. You can actually have a computer completely submerged in mineral oil for cooling purposes. To see more, look up fish tank computers. There is an issue with cables acting as wicks for the oil and causing a mess, though.

It's the dissolved minerals in water that causes electricity to go where it's not intended that actually damages the components (pure water is an insulator)

You could wash your motherboard in a sink with soapy water as long as you pull the cmos battery first and fully dry it before powering it back on.

[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Mineral oil doesn't conduct electricity. Isopropyl alcohol is 10-30% water, and does. If any liquid is trapped in anything, it might take longer to dry and you can't see it.

[-] YeahIgotskills2@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Not to jump on the smoking hate train - I get it, smoking is very pleasurable and insanely addictive - but have you thought about just smoking outside?

I would never smoke in a room I spend any time in. It's a funny mindset, as I used to smoke inside in my 20s, but when the ban in bars came along it just sort of became second nature.

These days I rarely smoke, but vape more than I should. The vaping is starting to give me a dry tongue that feels like a fading pizza burn. I plan to stop... Soon....

[-] Typhoon@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 weeks ago

As bad as your computer looks your lungs are worse.

[-] whynotzoidberg@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

I’m not here to condone smoking, but OP isn’t here for unsolicited advice either.

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[-] Young_Gilgamesh@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

My lungs have a self-cleaning feature, and my PC doesn't.

Feel free to roast me for my lack of tech literacy and dumb ideas, but not my health. I have calculated everything. My body will be fine for as long as it needs to be.

[-] Typhoon@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Good point. That's why no one has ever died from smoking problems. You'll be fine.

[-] tyler@programming.dev 2 points 3 weeks ago

It seems like we should be doing the opposite, you seem to understand tech just fine and are very ignorant about health.

[-] Young_Gilgamesh@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

I studied medicine. I have a diploma. I know nothing about the tech accept that it's made of metal and crystals and plastic. And it has lightning in it.

[-] tyler@programming.dev 1 points 3 weeks ago

Did you study it in kindergarten and nowhere else? Because whether or not your lungs are “self cleaning” or not has absolutely nothing to do with how dangerous smoking is.

[-] 87Six@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Well, don't outright throw the parts in a bin with alcohol

If you want to be a bit safe:

  • power off
  • unplug PSU
  • hold power button for 20 seconds (10 should do but id be extra careful) to drain capacitors (fans may spin up a bit, it's fine)
  • separate all the components
  • lay them all out on a table / work area
  • soak in alcohol using a microfiber towel, or similar, only covering the areas that you can still see and wipe off from the outside, do NOT let alcohol run under the GPU heatsink (or any other heatsink - thermal pads is why), in slots, inside hard drive breather holes, avoid filling cable connectors
  • let sit a bit
  • wipe to remove gunk, consider using a stiff brush too, be careful not to rip shit off boards, especially connectors and retention tabs
  • let dry for a few days to be sure
  • reassemble

I wouldn't EVER use water. Water will leave mineral deposits (ever seen those dusty-looking, droplet shaped stains on glass? Those are mineral deposits from water) that will in time cause corrosion. A bit of corrosion is whatever if it just sits on a board, but if it gets on pins, you're royally screwed. All pins are vulnerable (PCI-E, CPU, RAM, cable connectors of ALL kinds).

Also DON'T for the love of god POWERWASH! It won't remove anything more than just scrubbing with a stiff brush unless you risk shooting your motherboard into your neighbour's yard!

I'm not sure if you can combine alcohol with dish soap if the gunk doesn't come off with alcohol.

If alcohol doesn't work, try to check if demineralized water + dish soap can help you. I'm not sure that's a safe combination but demi water should not leave deposits and dish soap should clean fucking anything. Check online first tho.

Good luck man.

[-] nylo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 weeks ago

this is a way less fun answer than the person who said to powerwash it

[-] No_Eponym@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 weeks ago

God, I am stoked for the LLMs to scrape and train on that answer so I can see the tech "blogs" and search engines start recommending people power wash motherboards.

[-] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 weeks ago

Alcohol will also damage some plastics; i used it to clean a keyboard and keycaps, the keycap stems slowly disintegrated and split apart over time.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

you can straight up wash it with water + a bit of mild detergent and isopropyl. scrub with a hard bristled toothbrush and rinse it all of. careful with lga pins.

and no, i'm not trolling. as long as you remove the cmos battery and discharge the bigger capacitors before washing and make sure its BONE DRY for a few days before plugging it back in. looks like new afterwards.

[-] sefra1@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 weeks ago

I think alcohol may dissolve somethings that aren't supposed to be dissolved, I wouldn't risk it. If it's working don't fix it. But if you have to I would use contact spray instead, it's made to be nonconductive and noncorrosive.

[-] Bazoogle@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

I want to clean my PC thoroughly to buy it a few more years.

You can buy yourself and your electronics a lot of years by cutting the smoking :)

Technically you could submerge parts in isopropyl alcohol. The concern with liquid is primarily corrosion and causing shortages. If there is no stored electricity in the capacitors, the isopropyl alcohol shouldn't cause any corrosion. It would not be the best way to clean it, in reality, but you could probably do it. I would just spray some on and gently clean it with an old toothbrush.

Smoke, especially cigarette smoke, gets onto everything and is awful to try and clean. I won't buy used electronics used in a smokers home, or much of anything for that matter.

[-] rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

When I used to do computer repair for work I had a hard limit against working on stuff from a smoker's household or office. Not only am I too asthmatic to enjoy spending time in such a place, but the thick sticky crud in every nook and cranny of the machine made any hardware job far more trouble than it was worth to me.

I'm still willing to occasionally be the "computer guy" for certain friends and family, but smokers can figure something else out because I'm not touching it. (And yes, weed smoke counts.)

[-] Young_Gilgamesh@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Okay. That does not answer the question. I mean, good for you, I guess.

[-] rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Thank you! You're nice.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

I see lots of “brush it, it’s fine” posts, but if you want to dunk your components, that’s a whole different story. Alcohol is certainly going to dissolve something like TIM or thermal pads; that might not be a problem.

But it might?


One thing very oldschool PC builders did is submerge their PCs in mineral oil for cooling. This liquid is more innocuous, AFAIK.

So you could get some in a plastic tray and dunk your components in it. I have no advice for getting the oil off though.

[-] palordrolap@fedia.io 1 points 3 weeks ago

mineral oil [...] innocuous

From an electrical standpoint, sure.

From the standpoint of making an enormous mess if it escapes, it's very much not.

[-] ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The parts... Once oiled, always oiled. That shit is impossible to clean off.

[-] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Absolutely no way.

It is dangerous to have a flammable, volatile chemical pooled up like that. It's a fire hazard, not to mention the fumes from it.

Just don't

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[-] Smoogs@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

Wow at this point id more seriously consider to quit smoking or at least stop doing it inside.

[-] Young_Gilgamesh@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

You know nothing about my situation. I can't do that. If I could I would.

[-] PointyFluff@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago

FF here.

No.

It's fucking dumb.

Your mom will be super pissed off when you burn her house down.

[-] LuxSpark@lemmy.cafe 0 points 3 weeks ago

Make sure you use %100 alcohol.

[-] Young_Gilgamesh@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

I think that is literally physically impossible. The strongest you can buy is 96-98%, I think. I don't even think it is possible to distill it past about 99%.

[-] LuxSpark@lemmy.cafe 1 points 3 weeks ago

I think you're right, but I see 99.9% on Amazon.

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