HHhhmm... Do container/docker install option. This is why it's probably stagnated in adoption from the selfhosted community.
It needs a container based install, no one likes installing dependencies and crud onto their pristine environments any longer.
It's just not mentioned prominently https://github.com/spacebarchat/docker
last commit 3yrs ago.. seems unmaintained
Docker compose's don't really need to be maintained though. As long as the app doesn't need new components old docker composes should work.
EDIT: Oops, it does look like spacebarchat's docker images have last been updated over 2 years ago:
https://hub.docker.com/r/spacebarchat/server
EDIT2: Although this is outdated, I think their github repo has an action to autobuild docker images on pushes. Still investigating.
EDIT3: Okay, they don't seem to be actually ran.
But using nix to build a docker image is pretty cool.
EDIT4: Oh shit, the docker image build workflows were added just 2 hours ago. Of course they haven't been ran!
Docker support soon, probably.
EDIT5: the workflow ran, but it looks like it's private for now.
You got my heart racing with the twists!
Right? Reading that was like watching an action movie!
no one likes installing dependencies and crud onto their pristine environments any longer
It just depends, however, containers sure do make things a lot cleaner.
It’s weird that the server has a .dockerignore file without a Dockerfile.
Seems like they’re working on Docker build actions right now according to some other comments
I do. I just completed pulling the core piped components (piped-backend, -frontend and -prox as well as -html-proxy) from Docker to native installs from the AUR, as well as installing searxng without a venv. Spacebar (the server and client) even have AUR pkgs, but they're unmaintained... I'm gonna change that.
I set this container up yesterday. Technically it's running. But all the settings are in the fucking sql db, and I know fuck all about sql other than drop tables is funny meme from xkcd. But also, ignoring the settings, I would like to point out that there is effectively no client. I mean, there are two official ones - the depreciated one, and the alpha one, and the alpha one has a total of 4 releases with the newest being two years ago. How do you deprecate a client when the server is still in alpha? What the fuck? And on all pages it screams 'this is alpha testing software, do not use as a daily'. Also the docs are, uhh... rough. If rough was falling 4 stories into a bed of poisonous cacti. It took me 3 hours to get the container running properly and finally poking at the db. It's as organized as my bedroom ('it's somewhere in this dresser, I think...').
The idea, the potential, is brilliant. Literally everything about getting it working though...
Lots of great software ideas out there. It’s always the execution, availability of resources, and the reality of capitalism getting in the way.
Until I get in the way of capitalism (with a shotgun)
You can use the WebCord app for Spacebar.
I don't see any options or mention of changing instances, beyond discord canary and public testing...? I might be blind
Containers = Yet Another Attack Surface.
So you're offering to manage my ~40 services, and make sure that all the dependencies are met - and none conflict...?
I mean, I enjoy hosting things myself, but I'm not going to invite issues that have been resolved by simple solutions. I've been around the block with dependency hell, fuck all of that. Now if I was getting paid like 6 figures instead of zero, sure boss, whatever the fuck you say boss, job security all day long. But unless you're offering, I'm sticking with the easy way.
Eh, containers are fine if you know what you’re doing. Just run them in a VM if you want more isolation.
Definitely not for the average user though.
Why would one use this rather than just using something like Matrix or self-hosted Stoat? I'm not sure what it being "Discord compatible" really gets this project. Bot compatibility is nice, but aren't most Discord bots closed source anyway?
Because Stoat is also riddled with problems and Matrix is a dysfunctional hot mess.
In the proper timeline the superior proprietary platform Axon beat out Discord.
The cumulative hours we've lost screwing around with the manual placement spacial audio on Axon... When it went tits up we switched to Mumble tho
How is Matrix dysfunctional?
Where do I even start…
I really tried to like it, I even attempted to move a community over, attempted to self-host, all the jazz. It's a steaming mess for years now with no end in sight, and literally everyone who tried it eventually left disenchanted. Don't even bother trying it.
This was my experience. Every time people suggest it as a Discord alternative I'm like, have you actually tried it? I hate Discord as much as the next guy but Matrix doesn't get anywhere close. I tried really hard to like it and give it a chance, but no.
Well, Stoat sucks and has no vision or history of reasonably paced development. So, it’s more of a vaporware wish then actual software.
Decentralized (no abuse of power and doesn't have a single point of failure)
There is a direct server though, is it federated? The readme doesn't say it's federated at all
It's not federated, just easy to self host and point custom clients at.
That's too bad, that's a hard line for me, it has to have the option of federation.
Also, so it's a direct server, so it is centralized, there's nothing decentralized about it
Are you sure? Because they also seem to be behind Fermi which sounds federated
Fermi is just a custom client for discord/spacebar. It's not federated.
3 years of abandonment? Absolutely not.
This wont go anywhere until they have an app that is easy to download. And then everyone says Revolt/Stoat but that doesnt even fucking work cause their verification system is ass (probably because they use gen AI to code) and also is difficult to download the mobile app
Stoat has 3rd party clients that are easy to install, I already got the Clerotri app downloaded directly from Accrescent on GrapheneOS (although I believe they have an F-Droid release).
Still has AI generated code. I tried setting up an account and despite it saying the email to verify your account would take up to 10 minutes, it actually would take hours. And I can't sign up with my proton email (managed to get it to work with my gmail), while my friend cant get it to verify with their gmail.
Edit: Also have I have not found clients on fdroid or aurora store. I could only find the old Revolt app by adding its own fdroid repository and it hasnt been updated in years
So is IRC and Matrix.
Doesn't seem terribly well-maintained.
EDIT>> As was properly pointed out to me, I was judging based on the wrong repo. The server repo indeed has work being done on it, so it looks like this is getting updates and moving forward.
The Spacebar alternative client, Fermi, is more actively maintained from my understanding
Interesting, seems like this has been around for a while but I haven't heard of it until now. With how much Discord's shitting the fan and becoming (well, always has been) a privacy nightmare, this seems worth a try. The alternatives out there either need time to mature (Stoat) or don't really fill the same role (Matrix).
shitting the fan
Huh, like a more disastrous and direct combo-approach. I like it.
Spacebar was called Fosscord before. Maybe you have heard of that.
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