My teenage self had no complaints about Troi's uniforms.
None? He lacked inagination!
Based Jellico.
I've seen so many meme edits of this scene that I was waiting for the reveal, lol.
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Aw, he should have let her keep that one!
I still love how Jellico’s changes were all just stealth excuses for cast requests.
That being said, a four shift rotation is absurd.
“Gene Roddenberry’s vision” was usually an upskirt shot.
Which wasn't helped by Berman.
Oh the short skirts were 100% Gene. Rick is the one with the catsuit fetish. He was the one who decided to shrink wrap Jeri Ryan.
Yeah. You might have been able to see what Marina was eating for lunch, but she and Denise Crosby didn't need rescue oxygen.
"Dress was so short that you could see what I had for breakfast" is such an amazing turn of words
Carrie Fisher said of the slave Leia bikini that, because it was rigid, while she was laying against Jabba it rode forward and anyone standing behind her could see "all the way to China." and she opined that's why the actor playing Boba Fett preferred standing back there.
Oh, she ate pussy for breakfast?
Ahhhh, ok. Now it clicked.
I love her. She's the queen of TMI during Q&A's. Like when she casually dropped that before she met her now husband, she "slept" with just about every single guest star. What a legend.
"Not just the men, but the women and..."
Cmdr William T Riker enters the chat
SHUT UP WESLEY
Wesley: "Did he just tell me to shut up?"
Dr. Crusher: "Shut up Wesley."
He just saw what she had for breakfast.
I think it’s safe to say that Gene liked miniskirts.
Does "slept" have yet another meaning, or were they all just playing make-believe?
In many English speaking places, "slept with" is an old euphemism for sex.
I always assumed it was because the couple stereotypically spent the night together and This way you can supposedly "preserve the innocence" of people who don't know.
Captain Jellico's "put on a real uniform" command was written in at Marina's request.
Smart move. Even by 1989's standards and fashions, some of the costumes they put her in were hideous.
As a female friend pointed out to me: “and you never see her panty line.”
It may be an unpopular opinion, but I think she looked way cooler in uniform.
I'm quite fond of the long dress she got for one season. I'm sure it was hell as a costume, but I thought it looked tasteful. I also have the idea that the psychological/psychiatric lead on the ship ought to look somewhat "different" when she's working. Her uniform should be more casual, because her role is one where you want people to be able to get away from the structure, and to trust her confidentiality. The catsuits were dumb, and the Farpoint / S1 miniskirt was scandalous. but I did like the full-length dress.
Pretty much every "show off the attractive female main character" outfit that they've invented for Trek has not worked for me. Troi's outfits, Seven's outfits, T'pol's outfits... I think that actually the only exception is the Farpoint miniskirt and even then it just looks attractive but I don't like what it meant for Troi's brains so all things being equal I actually like her the most in the standard uniform jumpsuit which is, quite frankly, already designed to make people look good.
Now that we're decades away from the show and everybody involved has been interviewed a bunch of times, what I actually wish we could have seen was Troi as the diplomatic counselor instead of the vague psychological lead / poorly utilized character that we got. Because if she was the ship's therapist the long dress would work because it is tasteful and different yet still professional, but then we'd not be seeing her on the bridge the way we did.
There are far too many people in here with this I didn't have a problem with it kinda energy
As a 13 or 14 year old boy at the time, I certainly didn't have a problem with it.
Even back then I thought she looked like she was freezing.
I mean yeah... It's cold in space.
And it's a long road.
In fact it’s cold as h*ll
And no underwear
And it's still more modest than a lot of what gets worn today.
I love Marina but her character was so poorly written that Guinom (Goldberg's character) did Troi's job as counselor better than Troi ever could. Poor woman's entire role in the show was to be tortured and objectified while her character primary love interest shagged his way across the galaxy, Crusher probably got an award for her work during all his alien STDs.
Guinom
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Problem is this is partially Marina's fault. From her own reaccounting; it was basically her first job. The writers would go to the other actors and ask what they'd like to do in a given episode, or how they'd react to something, basically making the actors part of the script creation.
But Marina told the writers "uh, I don't know. Write me something. That's your job, isn't it?"
By the time she realised she had the power to actually make her character her own, it was already several seasons into TNG and far too late to actually change anything. The writers had long since stopped trying to include her in the writing process.
Hmm... I'll try and find a clip of where she told this story...
To be fair tho, Gates told the writers a lot of things and got her ass fired as a result.
Yeah she had a lot more demand as a performer because she only worked theater beforehand and she knew what her worth was, and people tend to hate that. Shatner did a pretty good BTS doc on TNG and the kind of weird power plays that went on that even Patrick Stewart was occasionally the target of. This period of TV production was a real high pressure environment and people had careers given and broken over pretty minor shit.
The very last scene in Encounter at Farpoint, Yar is also wearing the minidress uniform, AFAIK it's the only scene with her in it. The camera zooms in from about where it is above into a close-up of Picard, and Denise Crosby very pointedly steps out of shot partway through.
I have to wonder if that scene wasn't the first shot actually filmed, if they weren't planning on just, having all the women in crotch-length miniskirts until they had a couple shots in the can.
The very first scene also has a man in the minidress uniform, I guess to show equality.
edit: Oh, this was mentioned a lot further down.
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