Simple solution. From now on Linux distros should ship with a big message "NOT FOR USE IN CALIFORNIA".
You want to force age verification? No server in all of California will run. Period.
Simple solution. From now on Linux distros should ship with a big message "NOT FOR USE IN CALIFORNIA".
You want to force age verification? No server in all of California will run. Period.
Ah, the Glock solution.
uhhh. So would I need to get everyone who uses the household pc to verify age? Whats stopping a child from using the family pc that was age verified by an adult?
Clearly the point is not tl verify the age. They want your data.
What if no internet? How set up?
How will this affect embedded os like freertos or vxworks? There are lightbulbs that have operating systems these days, am I going to have to show ID to turn on my light?
Wow California leading the way to fascism, who woulda thunk?
Colorado Dems pushing a similar law rn.
Fucking idiots.
Because it's not that crazy or authoritarian and is basically what most websites already do to "verify" you age (which is to say nothing but asking you your age). But the onus is now being put on OS makers, with an additional clause to build an API for other developers to access so they also can "know" a user's age.
The law does not require photo ID uploads or facial recognition, with users instead simply self-reporting their age
The photo ID requirements are what will come next.
Maybe. But it will be funny for a little bit when the data starts showing the average age of a Californian is over 200 years.
It always ALWAYS comes step by step!
First they will introduce age "non-real-check", then they will enforce the check: you have accepted the principle, so what's the big deal if we actually check it?
Enforcement against Linux distributions, however, is likely to be problematic. Distros like Arch, Ubuntu, Debian, and Gentoo have no centralized account infrastructure, with users downloading ISOs from mirrors worldwide, and can modify source code freely. These small distros lack legal teams or resources to implement the required API, so a more realistic outcome for non-compliant distros is a disclaimer that the software is not intended for use in California.
That's what MidnightBSD did.
California residents are not authorized to use MidnightBSD for desktop use in the state of California effective January 1, 2027. California law CA AB1043 requires a complex age verification system implemented for operating systems with no exceptions for small open source projects. At this time, we don't have development time or a plan in place for this.
For everyone trying to figure out how this would be enforced, it's not about being proactively enforced. (and data collection is 99% of it)
It's about adding a double-tap "Well, these people also violated our age verification law, so they have to pay a fine," added to any incident where it's convenient to add this in. If a minor sends another minor a snap that would trigger CP laws, and one of the phones isn't age verified correctly, fine to the parents and hands up in the air "We tried!" A minor is involved in torrenting movies? "Look, kids using illegal OS! Fine to the parents!"
This is how laws work across a lot of corrupt developing countries. There's laws for everything, but they only get applied selectively as authorities find they fit the situation. It's hard to actually be 100% above board and do everything legally because of a few little things meant to be impossible to actually do bureaucratically. So in every situation, any set of authorities start in with the endemic leverage of "Well, we have suspicion of you selling ketamine out of your apartment. Did you do age verification on your laptop? No? Then we can seize that as a crime and see what's on there. OR you can give up your supplier."
Technically, Linux is not an operating system, just a kernel, so I'm not sure how this would be implemented.
See, here's the big open secret. All these politicians, who make all these rules? They don't have a clue what they're talking about. They think a kernel is something that gets stuck in your teeth whrn you eat corn.
That was a 5'19 kernel operating in my mouth, I swear.
How the hell are they going to enforce this?
Basically, it'll become a crime to sell a computer with a pre-installed operating system unless it supports an age assurance system.
So now when I spin up a VM at my sysadmin job I have to tell the server I'm an adult? Does anyone actually know what the fuck we are doing here? What an absolute clown show.
This is what happens when boomers never die and stay in office for a lifetime. They don’t understand technology but are allowed to make the laws that govern their use.
Nha boomers are not the cause for this shit. Smart ass marketeers and tech bro pushing for more precise target identification and thus more reach for them are to blame. And those I stumble upon are definitely on the younger side.
The law does not require photo ID uploadsor facial recognition, with users instead simply self-reporting their age, setting AB 1043 apart from similar laws passed in Texas and Utah that require "commercially reasonable" verification methods, such as government-issued ID checks.
Seems toothless. Good.
I've always input my age as 1900-01-01 and I can't change that now because that'll show an inconsistency and we can't have that now can we.
Our president is fucking children, and you're telling me I gotta verify my date of birth to run Linux, in the name of "Protecting the Children"?
Get the fuck outta here.
The law does not require photo ID uploads or facial recognition, with users instead simply self-reporting their age, setting AB 1043 apart from similar laws passed in Texas and Utah that require "commercially reasonable" verification methods, such as government-issued ID checks.
What even is the point of this then? To make shitty parents feel better?
It's so next year when they expand the requirements the infrastructure is already in place.
Sell data. profile people more accurately.
Since people aren't reading the article and the headline is misleading. The law requires:
It was explicitly written by the authors not to mandate ID or facial recognition checks. You can lie about your date of birth. This basically creates a standard set of parental controls for parents configuring kids devices.
I think that this might actually help with the whole discord facial recognition issue in places other than the UK by allowing them to offload the issue to parents setting up devices rather than collecting kids biometrics.
How old is my tomcat user? How about my various docker containers, are those separate OSes?
My birthday is 01.01.0001
01.01.1970
The law does not require photo ID uploads or facial recognition, with users instead simply self-reporting their age, setting AB 1043 apart from similar laws passed in Texas and Utah that require "commercially reasonable" verification methods, such as government-issued ID checks.
I hate Newsom but this seems like a non-issue.
If it was a non-issue they wouldn't introduce this to begin with.
There's not a single good reason to why an OS would ever need to know someone's age.
One of the proposed ideas in a Discord-based thread was to use OS-level age authentication to prevent you from having to provide IDs to a thousand other parties. One place, one time. So that's one reason for an OS to need it, in a world hellbent on increasing age restrictions. I don't know enough about that idea to argue it, though I'm certain it could be spoofed in 0.2 seconds after release.
It sounded like the EU solution is a dedicated, non-identifying birth date tag in their passports.
But what do I know. I assume all age restrictions can be circumvented, so I see no point in all this theater. And it's theater because it never really seems to truly be about protecting children. At least, to me, I'd be more concerned about SFW manosphere bullshit than NSFW porn when it comes to protecting kids (yes, I'm well aware a great deal of porn is misogynistic, degrading, abusive, etc)
Thin end of the wedge. Authoritarianism and fascism comes little by little.
it established a bad precedent
It’s a muddy slope. Watch your step.
Despite signing it, Newsom issued a statement urging the legislature to amend the law before its effective date, citing concerns from streaming services and game developers about "complexities such as multi-user accounts shared by a family member and user profiles utilized across multiple devices."
then why did you fucking sign it in the first place??
words cannot describe the depths of my seething hatred for the complete, museum grade, massive piece of shit that is Gavin Newsom
OK Newsom, you've lost me. I enjoyed your chaotic responses to the drumpf but you've officially lost me.
He's not even making most of those responses to Trump. His social media manager is doing it. He's still just another Howard Schultz. "I like the idea of equality as long as rich people don't have to reduce the rate at which they become richer."
Linux from Scratch is a refuge. It would be greatly improved with a package manager.
This will not matter to most of linux, it’s non enforceable and easily circumvented.
But the issue is what they used for thumbnail. Steam deck.
Steam is bringing linux to the the masses but they won’t be able to sell any without complying to the part that all apps that can be installed must be able to ask the os to give this data.
Its parents that are pushing for this stupid shit. I hate that the majority of voters want to implement robust age verification.
Is it? Honestly I think it's just astroturfed. The entire imperial core suddenly got obsessed with regulating the internet after young people started waking up to the realities of the genocide in gaza.
You guys are asking the wrong questions.
How is Linux going to do this? There's no server for the os to send the information to report the age of its users, no way of forcing its user base to comply and no single person or entity to fine, arrest or otherwise force into compliance.
They made a law they cannot enforce.
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