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Trump is now caught in the oldest trap of modern warfare – believing a swift, surgical military operation will yield quick, enduring political results. The Soviets did it in Afghanistan; the US in Iraq in 2003; Putin did it in Ukraine, and is still fighting. Whatever force a military fails or succeeds in applying at the start, the people it is attacking have greater commitment to defending their lands and homes.

The White House may have rushed into this, seizing the opportunity for a decapitation strike, provided by Israeli intelligence. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has very different objectives regionally, and a long US involvement against Tehran suits his desire for an Iran in rolling collapse that is no longer a threat. But the death of Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei on February 28 has caused as many problems as it has solved.

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[-] n4ch1sm0@piefed.social 42 points 2 weeks ago

Generally what happens when you start a forever war.

It's the only thing Republicans do other than taxcuts for the rich and fucking up the economy.

[-] DivineDev@piefed.social 23 points 2 weeks ago

No no, they also fuck something else!

[-] n7gifmdn@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 weeks ago

Won't somebody think of the children

[-] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 8 points 2 weeks ago

Oh, we're thinking of the children 😉 - Republicans

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[-] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 29 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I don’t see why he’d want it to stop. He’s been actively destroying the US for the overwhelming majority of his presidency. If he benefits the US at large, it’s major news to me. A stone rolling downhill shouldn’t be news.

[-] zeejoo@thelemmy.club 2 points 2 weeks ago

His ego is his only compass, and he has tied the stock market to his ego. War and Hormuz being closed will hit the stock market. He may well want to back down when that happens, and find himself unable to.

[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 23 points 2 weeks ago

You opened this can of worms, now lie in it.

[-] HowRu68@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

You opened this can of worms, now lie in it.

He's already choking in them too.

And imo, ofcourse he can end this whenever he wants to. Strategically and morally this operation makes zero sense. Not that anything he's said or un-said, or started and or ( never) ended ever did. And no, I don't think Iranians will come better out of this. It's another humanitarian disaster in the making. He's a destructive asshole. # edit Iran not Iraq ofc.

[-] daychilde@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

And no, I don’t think Iraqis will come better out of this.

And probably Iranians won't, either. ;-)

[-] HowRu68@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Oeps.. will correct. Might have something to with my déjà vu. smh

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[-] MrSulu@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 weeks ago

Israel said that it worked for them, and all they want is sufficient disruption to continue their own invasions. Trump is the fool for so so many reasons.

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

Trump can't even end his own bowel movements, it just randomly starts, leaks, and stops. I am sorry, but expecting him to control anything when he can't control his own bowels is an awfully big ask.

[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

It’s almost like there was some sort of reason why no one else was stupid enough to do this.

[-] Bazell@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 weeks ago

I love how now the Israel is blamed for the US failures.

[-] yakko@feddit.uk 3 points 2 weeks ago

Given how rarely any corpo media holds their feet to the fire, that's almost more interesting than whether it's true.

[-] TwilitSky@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

"Wars begin when you will, but they do not end when you please" - Niccolo Machiavelli

[-] Bustedknuckles@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

I hope it hangs around the neck of every feckless congressperson that votes not to keep their constitutional powers

[-] Pollo_Jack@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

It is pretty endable. We just give them our republican leaders and any democrat leaders that were in favor.

There will be some sort of financial reimbursement.

Might be able to spin it around and offer college admission to their students to help bridge the damage.

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

Operation Payback: rounding up all political leaders who allowed this to happen and shipping them to Iran and letting them deal with punishment.

Considering they have been shipping innocents around the world to be locked up in prisons without due process, they kind of deserve it.

[-] mirshafie@europe.pub 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Honestly I believe Iran would accept:

  • Full sanctions relief
  • Return to IAEA inspections
  • Pinky-promise not to attack again
  • Fake reparations program spread out over 30 years

The alternative is:

  • The US is evicted from the Persian Gulf
  • The US fucks off from Iraq, and Iraq gets an Iran-friendly government
  • Bahrain gets regime change
  • All goods through the strait are now controlled by Iran

The worse/better alternative is:

  • Pipelines and refineries in the Arabian nations go boom
  • All US/Israel trade through the Red Sea is blocked
  • US is starved out of Djibouti
  • Iran gets a nuclear weapon and says they're going to "test it" on Tel Aviv unless Netanyahu sucks a donkey dick on OnlyFans

Choose wisely, pedophile scum

[-] GenosseFlosse@feddit.org 3 points 2 weeks ago

We could even throw in a FIFA peace price!

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[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Well, now we all know what happens when you make a felon rapist pedo the most influential person on the planet.

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[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 weeks ago

Sleep now in the bed you shit on.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Trump, as an individual may not have a way out. Remember, Epstein was Mossad-trained and probably shared a lot of useful dirt with Israel.

But there is always a path to peace; and in this case it starts with the US backing off. Iran doesn’t have much capacity for war beyond protecting itself.

Exactly the same as how there’s a way for Russia to have peace in Ukraine.

[-] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 5 points 2 weeks ago

They can have him, and his entire cabinet and advisors.

I'd even consider all of Congress and the Supreme Court for dessert. Then we can just start over.

[-] DisgruntledPelican@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

The only thing « they » won is a larger distraction from the Epstein files of a pedophile president.

[-] frongt@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 weeks ago

Also the heritage foundation, and people like Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon.

[-] Event_Horizon@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I'm willing to bet this is Trumps and by extension America's 3 day special operation. And I mean that down to the expectation this would all be over in 3-4 days after the extensive bombing and killing of the upper leadership in the first day.

Instead Iran was all "nah we're good, we've been preparing for this day for 15-20 years". And started fucking up the whole region.

[-] dumbass@piefed.social 4 points 2 weeks ago

Remember the last world leader who said it'll be over in a few days.....

[-] Bullerfar@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

This is a great point. It's like the super powers of the worlds leaders, just thinks its a 1+1 = 2 scenario with war. Because they are so far up their own arses, they can't see any further than their own stool..

[-] Triasha@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Calling it now, when striking military targets fails to get surrender, we will switch to war crimes, Israel and then the US will start hitting water, food, and transportation infrastructure.

The only way to get victory from this war is genocide.

[-] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago

We blew up a school. It was war crimes from the start.

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[-] sobchak@programming.dev 2 points 2 weeks ago

They already have been. I know that at least one water desalination plant was hit. Civilian fuel infrastructure has been hit. The US openly stated they're going to try to cripple their industrial capacity. Seems the US has adopted Israel's Dahiya doctrine which targets civilian infrastructure. I think Trump said once the US is done there will be nobody left to surrender...

“At some point I don't think there will be anybody left, maybe to say ‘we surrender.’ They’re being decimated.”

  • Donald Trump
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[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago

The man isn't even able to prevent himself from shitting his pants.

[-] truthfultemporarily@feddit.org 3 points 2 weeks ago

This dude started presidency with zero major crises, and has created at least three.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

And all he had to do was make life less soul-crushing economically, and people would have gladly lined up behind him to support anything he wants to do, no matter how awful.

But they're not. They're poor and starving, so he's losing everyone, including his own coalition.

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[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

He's going to bomb until he's bored and then stop. That's why it's going to be air only (maybe ground special ops), air only is easy to stop. Well the US part is easy to stop, then it's when does Iran stop.

[-] protist@retrofed.com 6 points 2 weeks ago

Iran seems to making it clear they will not be stopping soon, regardless of what Trump does. Trump has been trying to send Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner back in for "negotiations" (they were in the middle of "negotiations" when Trump attacked), but the Iranians have said "fuck no, it's too late."

[-] FaceDeer@fedia.io 4 points 2 weeks ago

It'd be funny if Iran invited Kushner for negotiations and then killed him.

Well, "funny" for certain particularly dark styles of humour, I suppose. And probably not very productive. But turnabout is fair play, eh?

[-] untorquer@quokk.au 2 points 2 weeks ago
[-] FaceDeer@fedia.io 2 points 2 weeks ago

I suspect all it would really accomplish would be to get Trump to double down even harder, possibly pulling the trigger on even more extreme and wantonly destructive attacks. And I have absolutely no expectation that there are checks and balances that would stop them.

So not worth it simply for the sake of doing the funniest thing.

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[-] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 2 points 2 weeks ago

Trump can leave, but then everybody knows for sure the USA and Trump despite all the military hardware and billions are weak and can't force anybody, can't keep trade going and doesn't have any allies left to help out. You just need some backbone and cheap drones.

[-] yakko@feddit.uk 2 points 2 weeks ago

It turns out parasitic war profiteers like the military industrial complex don't actually make you strong, they just make you violent and take all your money.

[-] cenariodantesco@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

i am no expert on the subject, but it seems that this time Americans citizens will experience war beyond the occasional terrorist attack in their soil

[-] protist@retrofed.com 4 points 2 weeks ago

Not sure what you mean

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[-] aramis87@fedia.io 3 points 2 weeks ago

Trump may be unable to end the war he started with Iran, even if he wanted to

Yeah, we know. It's one of the (many) reasons we didn't want this.

[-] MehBlah@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

That would be funny if it were not for all the dead people he will create as a result.

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