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[-] Prove_your_argument@piefed.social 126 points 2 months ago

This is just their way of saying they want state sponsored backdoors into all private home networks.

[-] OwOarchist@pawb.social 56 points 2 months ago

Or, guess what, the next thing will be that all new domestically produced routers will require ID verification before they'll connect.

[-] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago
[-] tyrant@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

With screenshots of your systems sent and analyzed by ai

[-] Venator@lemmy.nz 2 points 2 months ago

Please drink verification can

Side note: I thought that meme was from idiocracy, but apparently it's actually from a 4chan greentext and I had made a false memory of it being in the movie 😅

[-] TacoSocks@infosec.pub 1 points 2 months ago

Honestly would've fit perfectly in that movie, but the verification can doesn't have electrolytes.

[-] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 months ago

They don't want to, they already have it and just don't want people to be able to avoid it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Assistance_for_Law_Enforcement_Act

requiring that telecommunications carriers and manufacturers of telecommunications equipment modify and design their equipment, facilities, and services to ensure that they have built-in capabilities for targeted surveillance

[-] TowardsTheFuture@lemmy.zip 90 points 2 months ago

… does America even manufacture routers?

[-] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 59 points 2 months ago

We don't lol

Electronics manufacture of any kind has been heavily outsourced since at least 1995.

[-] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 12 points 2 months ago

That only means we're going to take over a country that makes routers.

[-] n7gifmdn@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 months ago

Greenfield makes routers right? Or is it Iceland? My hands are Huuuuuge!

[-] krull_krull@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago

China? Yeah fat chace

[-] veroxii@aussie.zone 6 points 2 months ago

Time to dust off the old US Robotics 14.4k sportster.

[-] teft@piefed.social 58 points 2 months ago

If foreign made routers pose a severe cybersecurity risk then why would you let the current ones on the market stay? If they were truly a problem you'd remove them from the market, not grandfather them.

But like everything with this capricious administration the real reason they're doing this is probably because someone greased their palms.

[-] n7gifmdn@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 months ago

Honestly it feels like they get their Intel from memes.

[-] gibmiser@lemmy.world 44 points 2 months ago

Conditional approvals - it's a bribe scheme. Companies can ask for exceptions. Sure they wouldn't Grease any palms...

[-] homes@piefed.world 38 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

WHAT

I am really fucking glad I recently bought a high-end router, holy shit

FUUUUUUUUCK

[-] hperrin@lemmy.ca 35 points 2 months ago

Awesome. So what used to be a $50 router is about to be a $150 router. Great.

[-] some_designer_dude@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

And it’s going to suck BALLS

[-] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 2 months ago

$150 will get you a mini PC that you can run OPNsense on. Hopefully they don't ban WiFi access points next.

[-] 14th_cylon@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

there is not much wifi access points that are not routers at the same time and i doubt that said regulation would make such a minor a distinction.

also keep in mind that the news articles are specifically talking about tp-link products.

unfortunately we can only guess, because only official document i have found is as vague as the news reports.

https://www.fcc.gov/supplychain/coveredlist

Routers^ produced in a foreign country, except routers which have been granted a Conditional Approval by DoW or DHS.

[-] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

There are many access points that are not routers.

[-] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago

There are. Just need to shop in the business side of the store and not consumer. At worst pro-sumer.

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[-] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 months ago

Access points and routers are usually separate once you get away from the consumer grade stuff. The people that run OPNsense at home often use MikroTik or Ubiquiti access points.

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[-] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Outsourcing of manufactoring work is forbidden now? LOL

IMHO it is yet another scheme to make poor people pay more to rich people. And yet again nobody resists it.

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It's that, and also an invitation to bribery, and also a demand for surveillance backdoors. And your router may need your biometric data to protect the children (but not from billionaire pedophiles).

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

Force consumers into US made, AI-laden, crappy hardware full of backdoors for the regime.

[-] REDACTED@infosec.pub 6 points 2 months ago

Isn't Mikrotik commonly used for servers? Or is that just Europe?

[-] f3nyx@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago

Anecdotally, I haven't run into a single Mikrotik deployment since university.

[-] Codpiece@feddit.uk 4 points 2 months ago

First routers, then foreign operating systems, then cars…

[-] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

Next up, foreign VPNs and shortwave radios are illegal to use.

Then phone calls are restricted.

Then international mail has to be inspected and censored.

All hail Chairman Trump!

USA USA 👊🇺🇸🔥

[-] Quexotic@infosec.pub 1 points 2 months ago

https://www.ic3.gov/PSA/2026/PSA260312

Compromised devices already comprise what amounts to a foothold within US network infrastructure that makes attribution of actors and defense of critical infrastructure impossible.

It's actually a really good situation for China since they have access to millions of these compromised devices in police stations, fire stations, hospitals, within critical infrastructure networks etc.

Also, the equivalent of mail censorship is already being done by more subtle means.

The US is more fucked than you know. I just hope the US doesn't piss china off too much. The asymmetric warfare will claim more lives of civilians than combatants.

[-] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

glad a built my own last year.

[-] Zedd_Prophecy@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Build your own open WRT router or get one of theirs. It's the best way to go and you don't get dragged through the monthly fee wringer for stupid child security or other stuff that is not well designed.

[-] Paranoidfactoid@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I can understand the FTC being involved because trade. But the FCC? Maybe regulatory authority over WiFi? But this seems like massive over reach.

Remember when conservatives claimed to support smaller government?

[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Remember when conservatives claimed to support smaller government?

I only remember when conservatives lied everytime they opened their mouths.

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago

How about the bit where they say home routers have to be approved by the DHS or the "Department of War"? This is not normal.

[-] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 1 points 2 months ago

This only applies to routers.

It's not widely known outside the ham radio community, but part of the 2.4GHz wifi band overlaps the 13cm amateur radio band. If you turn off 5GHz wifi and lock the 2.4GHz AP to Channel 1, it qualifies as a ham radio, and can be sold as a ham radio instead of an AP/Router. You do need a ham radio license to operate it as a Ham AP, but you do not need a license to buy a Ham AP.

If the end user wants to turn on 5GHz after the fact, there is not a damn thing the FCC can do about it.

[-] evil_andy@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago

But you can't run encryption on it. So that means no WEP, no WPA, no SSL, TLS, VPN, etc.

So yes, while you could run your own wireless access point, it doesn't solve the main requirement for most people which is privacy.

[-] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

You aren't understanding my point.

My point is that you can continue to import and sell the exact same physical device, just with a little change in marketing, and possibly software.

My point is this: Once you have acquired the device, there is fuck all the FCC can do about you converting your "ham radio" back into a consumer-grade router.

[-] kalpol@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago

This is technically not true, the FCC can and does enforce spectrum usage rules. Whether they will expend resources chasing down your router or your unlicensed GMRS is another matter.

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