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[-] Mohamed@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 hour ago

A few years back, I was speaking to a roommate. I complained that the (then) new Star Trek had forced diversity. He immediately shut me down, "Star Trek has ALWAYS been like that". He was a huge fan of Star Trek

[-] BogeyTheSwear@lemmy.zip 1 points 10 minutes ago

Why would you even complain about that in the first place?

People tend to think that "forced diversity" is something being pushed from the top, but the people who own Hollywood are literally paying money to the right wing who limits diversity.

My personal belief is that there are simply a lot of homosexuals and trans people in the art world. Whether it be make up artists, actors or screenwriters, i think aaaaall of this is a lot more normal amongst creatives than it is among the regular population.

So obviously, its gonna show up more in movies and shows, than in real life. Because the people making the art knows these actual people.

People tend to forget when watching a movie, that just like when looking at a painting, they are in fact watching someone else art, and they are welcome to just not look at it, or find artists that more aligned with their bigoted views.

[-] gurty@lemmy.world 10 points 2 hours ago

Agreed. People should dislike modern Star Trek for it’s bad writing, not because it’s progressive.

[-] encelado748@feddit.org 2 points 25 minutes ago

Discovery writing is all over the place I agree, but Starfleet Academy writing does not look that bad to me. What is so much worse then previous trek? If we do not cherry pick the best of the past against the worst of the new, writing is better or on the same level of what we saw before.

[-] ConstantPain@lemmy.world 1 points 13 minutes ago

Yeah, nothing is organic. Feels like it's not normal to the characters too, because they have to keep explaining it to themselves.

The message is not the issue, the inability of the writers to insert it in the story is.

[-] Glytch@lemmy.world 2 points 43 minutes ago

Trek writing has never been consistently good. Half of TOS is unwatchably bad. TNG sucks until Riker gets more hair. DS9 sucks until Sisko gets less hair. Voyager's all over the place (even though it's my favorite). Enterprise is mostly bad. Only the even numbered TOS movies are good. Only the first two TNG movies are good.

I say this with a genuine love of Star Trek, but the quality of the writing has varied greatly over each individual series.

[-] JasSmith@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago

I mostly agree, but with shows like Starfleet Academy, the writing is bad in part because of the forced inclusive themes. You're broadly correct: these could be handled with tact for a better show. I still think these themes are handled best when they give the audience room to consider nuanced and complex ideas. Don't shoot me, but instead of a classic New Generation episode I'm going cite an episode of The Orville - "About a Girl". Bortus and Klyden have a baby, who is born female. They try to argue that she should be allowed to remain female, but ultimately the court rules that she undergo the Moclan gender reassignment procedure.

This touches on contemporary issues but also doesn't present the situation as "this side is 100% right, and this side is literally Hitler." The audience is actually left wondering, where does this sit in the contemporary debate? If a child is born one sex, should they be given the right to remain as that sex? Or should a court be allowed to step in and reassign sex? The episode also brilliantly explores the difficult dynamic between Bortus and Klyden, and doesn't portray one as a cartoon villain and the other as a male Mary Sue.

This is where New Trek fails horrible. Zero nuance. Everything is presented in the first 10 seconds as "this is good, this is bad. Accept the message we are feeding you are you are a bad person." That's not Star Trek. Most importantly, that's not interesting. It's not good storytelling. It might appeal to people who really like circlejerking about that particular issue, but that's a minority of people.

[-] encelado748@feddit.org 1 points 28 minutes ago

Can you give me a practical example of Starfleet Academy lacking the kind of nuance you would like to see?

[-] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 26 points 4 hours ago

“When did Star Trek get so woke?” — My idiot former boss.

[-] Nierninwa@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

I believe it was also an old Shatner tweet (well, if memory serves, he technically asked when it got political) Surprised to see this shift from him. It’s a welcome one but I’m still not sure if I should trust this.

[-] daggermoon@piefed.world 8 points 4 hours ago

Back in 1965.

[-] Hupf@feddit.org 7 points 4 hours ago

Only 37 years to go.

[-] etherphon@piefed.world 12 points 8 hours ago

I didn't personally care for it but I realized it wasn't exactly for me so whatevs, just because there is a show in same universe as the other imaginary space shows I watch that I don't like I realize I can just watch something else because I'm an adult (surely lol). It's a damn shame scifi is full of such small minded persons, I certainly know scifi fandom has had a lot of problems in the past but things seemed to be improving, though I suspect this is more of a loud minority situation, unfortunately the loud minority are billionaires.

[-] ATS1312@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 hours ago

I'm of the unpopular Opinion that SNW was @ boring rehash of anything I could get from any other show that already exists, and Academy was something fresh. All these irate chickenshits would love SFA if it just had the serial numbers filed off, except that "its woke" because it acknowledges that people just fucking exist.

But hey, can't jeopardize the popularity of a thing that's someone else's "property," not even if that's what it takes to live up to the actual legacy of the Original. Just leaving it to the community would actually let us make something beautiful, as we have done before, so that can't be allowed.

I guess we're just gonna get more Original Series fanfic that lands hollow for me, maybe a hunting-terrorists spy flick, and another mindless cash-grab movie whose screenplay will probably be mostly written by AI.

No more moral questions, no more interesting discussions of what an identity means, no more of what makes science fiction worthwhile as a genre - we have ships to explode - IN SPACE!!!!!1!!

Prodigy, a show written for literal children will be more interesting a topical exploration than a Larry Ellison property.

[-] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 hours ago

What a muddy comment. Took me two reads to try to figure out the argument therein, after which I stopped.

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 3 hours ago

i dont think SNW was that good, the acting is too wooden, and some of the endings in seasons were like"is that it"? prodigy and lower decks were way better. With ellision in control of trek IP, fans that are usually "left" leaning, how are they going to justify watching and supporting someone like ellison.

[-] minorkeys@lemmy.world -3 points 3 hours ago

The science fiction and adventure part of the show is absolute garbage. If it has been good, people would be able to have their cookie while being lectured to about what they should believe.

[-] kbal@fedia.io 176 points 14 hours ago

These days it seems like most things getting called "woke DEI crap" are totally in line with the norms of society, but someone wants to change that.

[-] EatMyPixelDust@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 10 minutes ago

Yeah, loopy religious people who want to take society back to the middle ages.

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 3 hours ago

it applied to all SCI fi show both pre-STD(DISCOVERY) thats what really got thier panties in a wad, when kurtzman made all the women have lead roles.SG1 wasnt spared either, as recently Invincible was called woke, just because the female general in coalition took command of the ship (the planet of ragnarrs) to refreeze the beasts.

there was definitely a concerted effort around 2020(thats when woke became super prominent in comments of shows like star trek) around election time to illicit more voters to side with conservatives through propaganda.

[-] TransNeko@lemmy.world 28 points 11 hours ago

the moment maga calls something woke... I embrace that game/tvshow/movie/book. they all turn out to be pretty good (other than a few gacha games)

[-] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 hours ago

There have been a few examples I can think of where they've called something woke and it was legit pretty mid or outright bad. But usually that's down to it being a game by committee by people who only interact with marvel level writing, like Dragon Age: Veilguard which is just shit or Mass Effect: Andromeda which honestly just kinda mid.

[-] ATS1312@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 hours ago

Its how I pick media these days too. Now that SFA is over, what are we watching?

Please don't make me get a Truth Social account to mine for our viewing list.

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