I'm vegan. I chose to downvote and to report to mods.

We're better than this low effort shitpost.

Meat-eaters: See block button. Choose to downvote/comment against it instead.

They hate when others speak the truth, which - naturally - makes them look bad. They can only feel good about themselves if the truth is supressed and never spoken out loud.

The only reason Im here is because i browse by everything and posts in this comm pop up frequently. Same as womenstuff so I get exposed to these posts without making any effort at all to encounter them as non vegetarian.

I don't vote on the vast majority of posts I encounter. I don't care for the voting system but I'll use it if a post strikes me as bad content for Lemmy in general.

I don't care what comm I'm in. Rarely check. I'll engage with content if I have something to say, usually pass without comment. As most people do.

I don't understand why restricted comms even show up for the whole Lemmy to see if they aren't welcome to have all of lemmys eyeballs on them.

People who post content in niche places that are actively hostile to the vast majority of a larger community are naturally going to get massacred in any popular vote. That's just math. And it's a problem because it's content for the wrong audience and just causes friction.

As far as I know unlike a comm that restricts who is allowed to post, non vegans are welcome to be here even if they aren't very much appreciated and many of the vegans would just prefer they avoided it entirely instead of messing with it. Look but don't touch kind of thing that's my approach, but I get it wrong or just have had days too like anyone else.

I don't think blocking out things you don't like, or make you a bit sqeemish about, is a good habit to form. It's absolutely a valuable tool but it's too easy to create echo chambers and I constantly see that lack of encountering things greater than your own opinion being bad for your health over the long run.

We need to challenge the things that make us uncomfortable to make any real change happen. I wish I had a better solution for the people who need tear down all the things they don't personally feel comfortable with it that challenge them in someway.

Perhaps I'm naive, but I look at this place and others like it as people sharing their opinions not communities acting as a group. It's convenient to have those communities because they are real things that exist, but the content is for everyone even when everyone shouldn't be responding to it. I hope I explained that properly.

Food and the consumption of it is a human universality. We all have it in common so I think whether you are vegan, vegetarian, or neither, it will draw interest far outside those it is intended to because food is just relatable one way or another.

I think it's very mature of the vegans communities I've encountered on here that they don't segregate themselves. I think that's the only way to stop hostilities between different worldviews and start helping each other be better.

Thanks for getting through my dumb thoughts. If you are ever in Quebec City, one of the best soups I've ever had was a Thai curry soup from Don Vegan the first vegan only restaurant in that historic city.

Vegans: Make a community for themselves

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Oh nooo, our echo chamber is being invaded by discussion!

Pinned a transcript as hopefully a passable compromise. I screwed things up by not checking for alt-text when I saw this post earlier, so I won't punish the OP and commenters for it.

EDIT: I should clarify that there's not one vegan philosophy. There's many different philosophies that could lead to veganism. Animal personhood being the most extreme end of it, but vegans also include people who believe in harm minimization, people who just hate factory farms and live in cities, Buddhists, radical interpretations of halal, and more. I answered these questions from a harm minimization perspective.

General principle is minimization of harm. The classic example is "You're on an island alone, slowly starving to death. There's a pig. Would you kill and eat the pig?"

For quite a few vegans, the answer is yes. Luckily, that's not the situation we find ourselves in, we can live healthy and happy lives without harming many animals in the vast majority of situations.

To directly answer the question: it depends. Is there an alternative that hasn't been tested on animals? Is this medicine life-saving, or just very slight quality of life bump, like getting over a hangover slightly faster? Those questions would guide you to an answer.

To answer your chicken question, I don't think there's any moral issue with eating the body of a being that's died of old age. I don't think many vegans would do that anyway though, because after a long time without meat, it tastes "wrong" to eat meat (not sure exactly how to describe it). Same reason not many long-term vegans are that interested in lab-grown meat.

Unless that's a phobia, I think you can learn to like them.

It's like drinking coffee, it's gross until you love it (i think.. I still hate it, but I hear that's most people's experience).

And maybe you should be cooking or serving up your vegetables in different ways to make it easier to lean into adding them more and more into your diet.

(I'm not vegan sadly but vegetables are an important part of your diet, I think it's beneficial for everyone to try to incorporate them in, because you may have a better life idk im also not a nutritionist)

I found that I had to kind of 'reset' my diet for me to like veggies. About a year ago, I ate much more veggies for like a month and now I like them a lot. Before, I struggled to eat a cucumber in a week, now I regularly eat an entire cucumber for one meal.

There's some things to learn, e.g.:

• Soy sauce kicks up their taste.
• Adding chili allows combining multiple kinds of veggies.

But I believe, the biggest change is the microbiota in your gut. They can chat with your brain. And if you've cultivated microbiota that eat food A, then if you switch to food B, they will tell you to fuck off. But if you keep it up for a few weeks, the old microbiota will decline and new microbiota that enjoy food B will join the party.

I'm now one of those nerds that has to have veggies for almost every other meal, otherwise I will see my mood go down, and I do think that's the microbiota controlling my brain.

Having said all that, I should perhaps add that I was already vegan before that. Yes, I was vegan and did not really like veggies.
You can do the veganisms without eating particularly healthily. You should largely be able to swap out meat with legumes and nuts, without changing everything else.

Yes, that's also a diet change, where you have to learn things (for example, pre-soak lentils to make them less farty) and have to get new microbiota into the mix. But it helps to do these dietary changes one at a time, rather than try to swap out everything at once...

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Probably because this post is ableist and possibly AI generated slop?

If they linked to a good article, they'd get upvoted. Post an image of text, and you get immediately downvoted

It’s not that people think of it as “good”, they just don’t think about it at all.

They also get really mad when you make them think about it, because most people know it's wrong.

I'm pretty sure the word you are looking for is capitalism. And it's not the only way people can live.

Eating flesh requires factory farming to be viable at a scale large enough for billions of humans. It's literally impossible for every human that eats chicken flesh to raise their own chickens, this is a non-starter.

The way the word "processed" is used so casually is really saddening.

If you're going to do this at least be honest about it instead of hiding behind these words to make it seem less terrible. You're killing and dismembering these birds.