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[-] cacheson@kbin.social 70 points 1 year ago

Ah yes, English, the Lingua Franca.

[-] LemmysMum@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago

The official language of international commerce is broken English

[-] triclops6@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 year ago

Fun fact, this is also the language spoken in the us

[-] ShitOnABrick@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If the internationally recognised langauge is broken English then I'm the king of speaking broken barely understandable English with accents that make things unledigble winner winner oh god stargazy pie is for dinner

[-] Luisp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago

The Esperanto of languages, wait

[-] Neon@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Is that a /s?

But you yourself wrote it in english.

[-] cacheson@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

It's a pun, so more of a /j. I'm not sure how well it would work in French, since I'm very far from fluent.

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's just a statement of fact - English is the most common Lingua Franca. The fact that the original term referred to the Frankish region, the predecessor to modern day France, makes the sign kinda ironic.

[-] Roundcat@kbin.social 41 points 1 year ago
[-] ShitOnABrick@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

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[-] archchan@lemmy.ml 39 points 1 year ago

A unifed global language is one of the characteristics of a type 1 civilization and right now English happens to be in a position to become that language. But whether or not English is the optimal option is a whole different can of worms. Since language and culture are so intertwined, the idea of the cultures, beliefs, and "mindsets" of entire groups of people being slowly erased, dominated, and assimilated by the anglosphere mind is a concerning long term problem. You lose out on potentially beautiful things only people of that culture and "mind" are capable of creating/conceiving or nurturing. Also America's dominance of cultural exports is insane.

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago

English is a shit laguage but all the computers are programmed in it so fuck it we ball

[-] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 year ago

English is such a shitty language the native speakers are bad at it 💀

[-] stockRot@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Everyone is "bad" at their first language. No one speaks in a prim and proper way all the time. Slang forms, grammar is eschewed for convenience. If you are able to get your point across such that another competent speaker is able to understand, then you are good at speaking a language.

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[-] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Computers are programmed in programming languages. They do (most of the time) have English words as keywords, but changing them is trivially easy. You could have a "Esperanto C" working in a day. And changing a C program to Esperanto C would be trivially easy. The only problem would be the new keywords being used in the old program, but that's easy to find and replace with a new identifier.

[-] Snoopy@jlai.lu 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I disagree. When i organised an international deaf week. It was very hard because i couldn't speak with people from different countries in international sign language.

So if it doesn't exist, people will either create a new one or use the dominant one. As for the culture, it depends.

[-] BottleOfAlkahest@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

That there should be a global language not directly tied to a culture is one of the main arguments for an artificial launague being adopted as the global lingua franca. Not to say there isn't issues with that either since the most popular constructed languages are heavily adapted from European languages (looking at you esperanto).

[-] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I would really love an international language with consistent spelling and where the spelling matches the pronunciation. For me the chosen language doesn't have to be artificial, but the selection process should be: a scientific choice based on consistency, ease of learning, clarity in meaning, ... Everyone who knows a few languages, knows English is probably the worst choice when it comes to these objective criteria.

It's like the system of measurement: leave it to the people and we'd all still be using wacky thumbs, feet and elbows for measuring, but smart people came together in France (a few times) and now we have an easy to understand consistent system of measurement.

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[-] Naz@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

A true blended language would probably be something like Esperanto. Personally, I prefer the Latin alphabet because it's easier to write than the Oriental alphabet, or the Cyrillic, which creates so many curves in cursive that you might as well just be writing "mmmmmmm" (the word "teacher" in Russian cursive is a great example).

Higher K-Scale Civilizations have obviated the need for discrete languages entirely and communicate using brain waves/telepathy. No misinterpretation of any idea is possible when you literally present the exact thought form to another. The speed is also unparalleled: communication occurs at the speed of thought - no need to translate, encode, parse, decode, and conceptualize before information is transferred.

Refrigerator.

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[-] lugal@lemmy.ml 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

SPRICH DEUTSCH DU HURENSOHN!

contextEdit: since this gets quite a few downvotes, it's an insider from a German subreddit and meant as a joke. I get how it can come across offensive without context, sorry for that. I hope I provided enough context now.

[-] Taleya@aussie.zone 22 points 1 year ago

Now now grandpa, you tried that, it didn't work

[-] bingbong@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago

They're just playing the long con

[-] _Gandalf_the_Black_@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago

Ich spreche doch Deutsch...

[-] Taleya@aussie.zone 4 points 1 year ago

Ich auch

...aber sehr schlecht

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[-] hyorvenn@jlai.lu 28 points 1 year ago

La France, le seul pays francophone bien evidemment

[-] hansl@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago
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[-] grue@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Je suis Americain et j'apprend le francais parce que je veux faire le tour du monde en volier, et la France d'outre-mer a beaucoup d'iles practiques.

(I only used DDG's translator a little bit on that!)

[-] Taniwha420@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I've heard that if you already speak English, then French is the best global second language to get because you can get by in so many Spanish speaking countries with English.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's also part of the reason why I picked it, although I've had a hard time finding the right data to support that hypothesis. It's not as easy as asking what the most commonly-spoken languages are; instead, you've got to ask which language to learn next gets you the largest increment of being able to talk to more folks. That means you've got to subtract out the folks that speak language X but also language Y that you already accounted for, so to do it properly the data set you start with has to tell you which set of languages each individual person in the world speaks.

(Also, it's almost certainly true that French is beaten out by Mandarin Chinese in terms of being the second language with the largest increment, but I picked French instead of Chinese to learn first because French speakers are distributed throughout the world, whereas most Chinese speakers are in China. And as you already noted for Spanish, it and Hindi lost out because even though they have more total speakers than French, the increment might not be as large because so many of them also speak English.)

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[-] Leviathan@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I speak English, French and Italian. English is still by far the language that helped me most in South America.

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Funny that it's so widespread that a Germanic language was more useful than a fellow Romance one.

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[-] Camus@jlai.lu 18 points 1 year ago

C'est assez amusant vu que l'accent britannique est assez difficile à comprendre pour des personnes qui ne sont pas natifs en anglais.

[-] BastingChemina@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 year ago

Je me souviens en Erasmus en république Tchèque on avait des cours d'aérodynamique en anglais.

Tout le monde arrivait à suivre sans trop de problème sauf une personne qui est allé se plaindre de la difficulté à suivre les cours à cause de la langue.

C'était un britannique, il avait réellement du mal à suivre le cours par un prof qui parlait du broken english avec un accent tchèque. En tant que français par contre aucun problème pour comprendre, je comprenait beaucoup plus facilement le prof tcheque que le britannique qui avait un fort accent londonien.

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[-] Powerpoint@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

Oui. C'est très difficile.

[-] SereneHurricane@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

We live in English speaking Australia. My son is learning French and Arabic.

There's not many countries where you can't get away with one of those languages, to my understanding.

[-] Blamemeta@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

Well if France wanted to have French be universal, they should've had a powerful culture!

[-] Snoopy@toulouse.social 11 points 1 year ago

@Blamemeta @ElCanut No, they should rework french with less gramatical rules ☺️

[-] leftascenter@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago

But but ouat of ze grammatical cultural exception?

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[-] keepthepace@slrpnk.net 10 points 1 year ago

En même temps...

[-] ShitOnABrick@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Har-har I out colonised you har-har toi parle anglais beacoup muhhahhahahahahahahahahhahahahHHahahahahahahahahhHahahahhHahhHHHHahahahahhahahahahahahahhHHa

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[-] Snoopy@jlai.lu 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Et dans l'anglais on y retrouve des mots du vieux francais. Sinon ya la version espagnol ? 😁

Speak spanish, visit Spain ? 😁

[-] IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

Engels zit ook vol met Oud Nederlandse woorden.

[-] drcobaltjedi@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago

A coworker of mine suggested that Dutch is the easiest language to learn for native English speakers, so I've been learning it on the side for the past few months.

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[-] archonet@lemy.lol 4 points 1 year ago

You can also visit Quebec -- but why would you want to?

[-] mawwage@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

Because Québec is a beautiful place with great culture, wonderful people, and delicious food?

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