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[-] purplerabbit@piefed.blahaj.zone 11 points 8 hours ago

This is your weekly reminder at this point that Valve is a corporation and that corporations are not your friends nor your allies.

[-] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 45 points 13 hours ago

I'm a bit surprised that someone hadn't already posted this

[-] Taleya@aussie.zone 15 points 10 hours ago

GOG sails past the bottom of the screen on a skateboard sipping a juicebox with a straw

[-] mlg@lemmy.world 9 points 11 hours ago

There was a funnier one with GOG enjoying itself in the corner and the complaining party being Epic lol

[-] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 10 points 11 hours ago

Close, but also include the accusation coming from the ones on the left!

[-] deft@lemmy.wtf 4 points 11 hours ago

Damn that's a good point. I don't hear a single consumer talk about it being a monopoly. Isn't that who would decide such a thing?

[-] Jeremyward@lemmy.world 7 points 12 hours ago
[-] Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca 11 points 12 hours ago

It's so clear that so many people here DIDN'T read the article, which is further compounded by the author not understanding the meaning of monopoly vs anti-competitive practices. Just so we are all on the same page:

A monopoly is a market structure where a single company or entity is the sole supplier of a specific product or service, with no viable substitutes. Because it lacks competition, a monopolist can dictate prices, prevent new competitors from entering the market, and influence quality.

Anti-competitive behavior refers to actions taken by a business or organization to limit, restrict or eliminate competition in a market, usually in order to gain an unfair advantage or dominate the market. These practices are often considered illegal or unethical and can harm consumers, other businesses and the broader economy. Anti-competitive behavior is used by business and governments to lessen competition within the markets so that monopolies and dominant firms can generate supernormal profit margins and deter competitors from the market. Therefore, it is heavily regulated and punishable by law in cases where it substantially affects the market.

This isn't about steam being a better service, (even though it IS a better service,) or being a monopoly, (it isn't.) The lawsuit is about anti-competitive practices.

The lawsuit pertains to steam allegedly disallowing devs to price games lower on other platforms. If this is true, it's a move that prevents competition. Maybe other digital storefronts are shittier, but they might make up for it by taking a smaller cut from game devs, which allows them to sell at a lower price on GOG, or EPIC. If Steam is forcing devs to charge the same price on all platforms, or preventing them from offering discounts on those other platforms when they aren't offered on Steam, then it doesn't matter where I buy the game. This is a form of price fixing, except it isn't an agreement being done between digital storefronts behind closed doors, the price fixing is allegedly happening by steam leveraging the developers

Imagine you are going to buy Tide laundry detergent. You can go to Walmart, Target, or your local grocery store. They all carry the same exact same 125 fl oz bottle. Walmart has it for the lowest price, Target is the next highest, and the local grocer has the highest price for the item. Does my local grocery store get to force Walmart to raise their prices to match their own?

My local grocery store might charge a little bit more, but I prefer to shop there because it's closer to me, and the stores are better organized making it easier for me to find what I want. Personally I LOATHE shopping at Walmart. I happen to be willing to pay more for a better experience when buying the same product. Other people might not give a shit about the shopping experience and just want the lowest price, so they go to Walmart.

I refuse to touch EPIC game store. I think it's a subpar product. But if my buddy is telling me about a game he got for free through their storefront and raves about what a good game it is, I'm gonna buy it off of steam, instead of getting it for free, because steam is a digital storefront I trust, and provides a good customer experience.

I realize laundry detergent isn't the same as video game software, but I think my example demonstrates how competition can work and how fucked up it would be if the allegations against steam are true.

[-] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 17 points 11 hours ago

To be clear, the only time Valve requires prices match what's on Steam is if you're selling Steam keys. Games are sometimes cheaper on GOG and EA and Ubisoft regularly price their games a dollar or two cheaper on their own stores.

[-] Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca 6 points 11 hours ago
[-] captain_oni@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 hours ago

I remember I got Baldur's Gate 3 (early access) cheaper on GoG than on steam ($40 on GoG and I think it was $50 on Steam, or maybe even full-price (60), but can't be sure).

[-] Sirdubdee@piefed.social 1 points 7 hours ago

He’s not wrong. But the price fixing has to go. I shouldn’t have to pay physical prices for a digital product.

[-] rainbowbunny@slrpnk.net 22 points 14 hours ago

"Buy" games on Steam? Sure wish they let you own them.

[-] jtrek@startrek.website 1 points 6 hours ago

Some are DRM free and can be backed up at your leisure. I'm pretty sure that's up to the developer to implement or not.

It would be neat if steam let you sell a game back, but I'm not sure how to square that with "you have a drm free copy that's trivial to copy"

[-] Rooster326@programming.dev 12 points 14 hours ago

Obligatory GOG shill?

[-] dudesss@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 hours ago

Start with SpaceX

[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 8 points 13 hours ago

Around the 2010's, both MS and Google were seen as "noble monopolies". Even if Steam is the better video game distributors, always stand on more than one leg when it comes to buying games.

[-] mlg@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago

MS was anything but lol, they had a swarm of lawsuit dramas over by then. Only Apple glazed MS because they quite literally saved them from bankruptcy which they only did as insurance against a proper antitrust case.

Google was newer but they also weren't a private company, they were riding silicon valley money to the moon.

Regardless, Steam is a monopoly but their immediate competitors are the only ones chucking anti competitve measures around like crappy DRM and price lockins.

[-] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 4 points 12 hours ago

Other gaming platforms are fully capable of competing with Steam. It's only real edge is that it treats game developers better than any other platform.

[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 5 points 11 hours ago

And at least both gog and itchdotio are the better ones. If only Epic got its shit together...

[-] HubertManne@piefed.social 13 points 15 hours ago

I get it but its not like they are buying up competition or doing bad practices to win unless doing what your customers want is being unfare. In this case I blame the competition.

[-] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 27 points 17 hours ago

Billionaires shouldn't exist.

[-] wpb@lemmy.world 23 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

An earned monopoly is still a monopoly. Anyone who feels that the power that Steam wields in the gaming market is not an issue, I urge you to think or learn about why monopolies are harmful -- not in relation to steam. Think about a manufacturer of gizmos completely cornering the gizmo market and what that would mean for the people wanting to buy gizmos, as time passes. Don't think in terms of the laws or definitions of some specific country, just think about the effect it would have on society. Worst case scenario you lose some time and gain some insight on monopolies

[-] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 17 points 15 hours ago

Think about a manufacturer of gizmos completely cornering the gizmo market

If your monopoly in the Gizmo market is because you've actively fought other companies, lobbied governments, filed frivilous patent suits, etc... in order to KEEP people from competing with you, than you're a piece of shit.

If your monopoly in the Gizmo market is because despite there being no hinderance to them doing so, no competitor has been able to match your quality, than kudos.

In your example, you're effectively saying that governments should force people to use shittier services just to avoid a monopoly, even if that monopoly is earned.

If people want to buy Gizmos, and that first company is losing their trust, another company will come in and compete successfully because that first company isn't preventing them from doing so. If that second company does it better, great.

An earned monopoly and a forced monopoly are not nearly the same thing, precisely because an earned monopoly is on the whim of the consumers. If your product turns to shit, a replacement will make itself known. Whereas a forced monopoly is on the whim of the government and lobbyists.

[-] tidderuuf@lemmy.world 24 points 18 hours ago

Of course it's bad. For decades Valve has shown others why gamers value their game store yet most game stores still do stupid shit that drives gamers away.

The only one making an honest attempt is GOG. And their only issue is low purchasing volume which means they are slow to develop and improve their platform.

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[-] Vex_Detrause@lemmy.ca 5 points 13 hours ago

This gizmo maker is making the best gizmo that everyone loves, best delivery and best support for people that buys the gizmo. Why would you fault that company for delivering what majority of people wanted. They didn’t corner the gizmo market by buying out smaller gizmo makers, they didn’t block smaller gizmo maker by undercutting them, they didn’t even advertise to cut into other’s profit share. They win the capitalist market by making the best gizmo plus the best experience of buying and owning the gizmo.

[-] BCsven@lemmy.ca 9 points 16 hours ago

But other stores exist, they just don't offer what steam does (which includes Play on Linux).
It like if you bought an amazing vacuum that does everything (hardwood, carpet, car attachments, air filtration), and the competitor offers a vacuum that only does carpeted floors...its not a true monopoly, its the competitor not understanding what sells

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[-] BigTrout75@lemmy.world 137 points 1 day ago

Valve has a monopoly at being the only online gaming storefront that doesn't suck.

[-] timestatic@feddit.org 3 points 11 hours ago

Nah I think gog is fine, they're just not the same size (and for linux also not plug & play)

[-] Smaile@lemmy.ca 26 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Yup, it's why I am willing to argue for them, at least until Gabe dies. He's proven to be far more fair and I know you wouldn't get that deal anywhere else. These days it really does seem like there a coordinated push to attack valve for not being scum like the rest of the industry these last couple of months.

[-] Joeffect@lemmy.world 29 points 19 hours ago

It's because they actively fight for the consumer rather than the publishers.

It's funny though because valve has so much fucking money because they are not chasing next quarters arbitrary gains...

Valve is proof that if you don't try to screw over your customers somehow you end up with profits. Weird how that works, and instead of companies learning something from that we'll... they do what capitalism does....

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[-] Baggie@lemmy.zip 14 points 18 hours ago

Gog and itch.io are decent. They're different types of stores, but very usable.

[-] Aneorthisio@lemmy.ml 22 points 20 hours ago

The only one that lets me keep in my library, download and install at any time games that were delisted 10 or 15 years ago by their publishers.

For that reason alone, they deserve my money over any other storefront.

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