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From Naked Capitalism:

...one has to wonder what the latest Blinken round of visits to the Middle East was supposed to accomplish, since all it did was expose our impotence. Even the Financial Times could not hide that the meetings with Netanyahu and then Arab leaders were a train wreck. Netanyahu rejected even any itty bitty ceasefire, branded a humanitarian pause, to get relief in, demanding that Hamas release all hostages first. The fact that Israel has welched or underperformed on its past begrudging promises to let trucks from Egypt in, would make that a non-starter even before getting to Hamas being sure to stick to its position of wanting to trade hostages for Palestinian prisoners. And of course the Arab states are not about to budge. Blinken got a more pointed version of what he was told before.

Antony Blinken faced intense pressure from regional allies to facilitate an immediate ceasefire in Gaza, laying bare the stark gap between US support for Israel and the outrage in Arab capitals over the siege and bombardment of the strip….

Sameh Shoukry, the Egyptian foreign minister, demanded an unconditional ceasefire, a commitment that Israel’s prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu bluntly rejected after meeting Blinken on Friday.

Blinken had been expected to “brainstorm” with Arab diplomats the future of Gaza, home to 2.3mn Palestinians, after the war ends. Safadi bluntly rejected those talks as premature. “How can we even entertain what will happen in Gaza when we do not know how Gaza will be left?” he asked Blinken. “Are we going to be talking about a wasteland? Are we talking about a whole population reduced to refugees?”

This comes off as the sort of thing someone who had just read classic texts on negotiating trying to put in practice: “Gee, let’s get a dialogue going! Let’s get to ‘Yes’ on some less fraught issues to pave the way for further agreement!” In addition, “brainstorming” is cringemakingly American. You don’t do that with people who are mad at you. You don’t do that in a crisis. Between independent entities, you do not do that at the top level. You have low level people or emissaries float ideas. So why this exercise? The worst is that Biden and Blinken come off as so disconnected from reality that they though they might get someone to accommodate US needs.


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Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA daily-ish reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.
More telegram channels here for those interested.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


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Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

You're going to have to (hex)bear with me on the update this week. Have you been feeling generally pretty terrible this last month or so? So have I, and doomscrolling and archiving it all is my quasi-job at this point. Not good, folks, more and more people are saying it. I'll get over it eventually.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 57 points 1 year ago

Gal Gadot was always a bad Wonder Woman. She looked the part and had the athleticism but couldn't act to save her life. DC could easily replace her with an Olympian and even they would probably end up being a marginally better actress.

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[-] Trustmeitsnotabailou@hexbear.net 57 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's lathe time

Biden Under pressure decides to not run for a 2nd term.

Dnc clears the card for hrc

Dnc chastises everyone. You said any one but Biden!

Hrc vs Trump 2024.

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[-] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 57 points 1 year ago

The Israeli Air Force is currently carrying out airstrikes on the cities of Aita al-Shab, Naqura and Khiam in southern Lebanon.

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[-] buh@hexbear.net 56 points 1 year ago
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[-] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 56 points 1 year ago

South Africa to Withdraw Its Diplomats from Israel

Since October 7, Gaza has been under constant bombardment by Israeli forces, which has killed at least 10,022 Palestinians.

The South African government announced on Monday that the country's cabinet decided to withdraw its diplomats in Israel for consultations on the situation in Gaza.

"The South African government has decided to withdraw all its diplomats in Tel Aviv to hold consultations. The withdrawal for consultations is a serious signal that South Africa takes a very dim view of the situation in that part of the world," Khumbudzo Ntshavheni, minister in the presidency, told a press conference.

Ntshavheni said South Africa is disappointed by the continued Israeli bombardment of schools and clinics in Gaza and the closure of humanitarian crossings. "A genocide cannot be tolerated under the surveillance of the international community," Ntshavheni said.

The minister added that "the cabinet has also taken note of the continued derogatory comments by the Israeli ambassador to South Africa about those who oppose the Israeli government's atrocities and genocide."

Ntshavheni brought up the "very untenable" position of the Israeli ambassador to the country, which is why "the cabinet has decided to instruct the Department of International Relations and Cooperation to take the necessary steps within diplomatic channels and protocols to address the conduct of Israel's ambassador to South Africa."

The South African country has recently urged Israel to comply with its obligations under international law, calling on the Israeli authorities to expedite the departure of its nationals from the territory and to protect civilians in Gaza.

Since October 7, Gaza has been under constant bombardment by Israeli forces, which has killed at least 10,022 Palestinians, including 4,104 children and 2,641 women, while more than 25,000 were injured, according to updated data from the Palestinian Ministry of Health.

The collapse of hospitals and shortages of supplies - drinking water, food, medicine, electricity and fuel - amid the Israeli blockade of the enclave have forced the displacement of more than 1.5 million people..

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[-] GVAGUY3@hexbear.net 56 points 1 year ago

It's surreal to watch people I knew in High School post about Palestine. The same people that heard bullshit propaganda with me. I can't help to feel the tide is changing. Question is what can we do with the tide changing? Our government is a tidal wall.

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[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 56 points 1 year ago

This conflict has given me the misfortune of interacting with Iranian gusanos. I get it if you're not a fan of the regime, but being aggressively anti-Palestine just to spite them is another thing.

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[-] emizeko@hexbear.net 56 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

🚨 Government Media Office in Gaza:

This may be our last call... you must realize the plight of our people now, immediately; otherwise, regret will be of no use when an entire nation has been left to die from hunger, thirst, and disease after this occupier has used its military arsenal to kill and slaughter them.

from https://t.me/PalestineResist/18747

[-] fever@hexbear.net 56 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Western funded Persian satellite TV channels abroad have brainwashed Iranians so much that 95% of Iranian celeberities inside and outside of country who were backing Mahsa Amini's "revolution" are completely silent on the Palestinians sufferings.

Cyka.

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[-] jabrd@hexbear.net 56 points 1 year ago

Israel has seemingly fallen hard into the “when the only tool you have is a hammer” trap re: the amount of their own civilians they’ve killed

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[-] Eldungeon2@hexbear.net 56 points 1 year ago

The Left, if there is such a thing, needs to up the ante in the rhetoric war and call genocide denial in Palestine a hate crime/hate speech. Let them know if the global majority proceeds a tally has been made and their souls will be judged here on earth by their victims.

[-] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 56 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

IDF propaganda generator:

The IDF uncovered the base of Hamas's elite Imam Brigade in a small octopus plushie, killing 61 terrorists.

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[-] TheCaconym@hexbear.net 56 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ever curious to see a French concentration camp ? here you go. They're all over the country and they call them "centres de rétention administrative", mainly used against refugees.

I know they have the same in the US but still, from the country that regularly bills itself as "the homeland of Human Rights", folks france-cool

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[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 56 points 1 year ago

Reddit being so pro-Israel isn't that surprising after seeing all the anti-indigenous memes they make. You can't discuss colonization on there without having to say that the indigenous people were just as brutal, which isn't always true depending on the tribe.

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[-] KatraCommunist@hexbear.net 56 points 1 year ago

Honestly the palestine team somehow got better propaganda than the israelis, who are backed by the largest media outlets controlled by their daddy USA.

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[-] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 55 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Bit idea: photoshopping or AI generating a Hamas fighter with a swastika tattoo or similar Nazi symbology and then stating that this proves that Hamas is a neo-Nazi organization from top to bottom and thus must be destroyed; but simultaneously believing that despite every other Ukrainian soldier photographed having a Nazi tattoo, this doesn't make them Nazis and it's more complicated than that and it doesn't make their cause invalid regardless

(I'm trying to get ahead on the lathe-spinning but reality keeps outpacing parody so it's difficult)

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[-] Coolkidbozzy@hexbear.net 55 points 1 year ago

"I swear bro we're just trying to eliminate hamas" I say as I dismantle the medical system, housing, communications, and food, water, fuel, and electricity supplies of an entire people

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[-] WIIHAPPYFEW@hexbear.net 55 points 1 year ago

You know you’re the good guys when the first buildings you’re trying to occupy are the last functional hospitals in the city :)

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[-] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 55 points 1 year ago

I genuinely believe capitalism is a disease of the soul, liberalism too

[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 55 points 1 year ago

India's far-right government banned pro-Palestine protests: https://nitter.cz/BenjaminNorton/status/1722586844150538536

India is trying very hard to not fall into either camp, but the internal contradictions within India is forcing Modi's hand. He has to shit on the Muslim population because of BJP's rabid Islamophobia, but the entire Global South population is completely sympathetic towards the Palestinians. It's one thing to issue vague calls for peace while quietly buying Israeli weapons, but it's another to have a personal phone call conversation with Netanyahu and ban pro-Palestine protests. With this, we can see that Modi meeting with the Iranian president in order to issue calls for peace is just Modi trying to not completely look like a Western cheerleader.

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[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 55 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No more journalists in Hebron, after Israeli sweep

Zein Basravi reporting from Ramallah in the occupied West Bank

It started later this evening than in previous nights, but around the middle of the night, we started to get reports that seem to illustrate a large scale coordinated sweep of cities across the occupied West Bank.

Israeli soldiers detained a number of people in Hebron, including two senior journalists. One of my colleagues has described Hebron as simply not having any more journalists in it anymore.

Israeli soldiers also detained a number of women and family members to try to pressure wanted men to surrender themselves. Palestinians have described this as illegal detention akin to hostage taking.

To Israeli forces, this has been a common practice, even children have been taken at different points in time by the Israeli military in these raids.

- Al Jazeera

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[-] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 55 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

From the office of Sen. John Settlerman:

In my front office I have displayed the posters of the innocent Israelis kidnapped by Hamas.

They will stay up until every single person is safely returned home

https://twitter.com/SenFettermanPA/status/1721996063714807954

https://nitter.net/SenFettermanPA/status/1721996063714807954

This man should be forced to wear full white tie dress code 24/7 for the rest of his life. Make the shirt collar and bowtie so tight his brain explodes again.

Also better x out the 60+ of those already killed by IOF bombing.

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[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 55 points 1 year ago
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[-] Parzivus@hexbear.net 55 points 1 year ago
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[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 55 points 1 year ago

One day you'll all wake up and realize you've been groomed by terrorists.

Guess who said it.

SpoilerEve Fartlow

Nitter

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[-] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 55 points 1 year ago

The representative Goochland deserves!

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[-] LargePenis@hexbear.net 55 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I enjoyed answering all the Lebanon AMA questions for the COTW event yesterday. Let's do part 2 if you have any questions. Ask away hexbear homies

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[-] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 55 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

AltWith Tel Aviv at sunset as the backdrop, Jdpon icon Qin Shi huangdi attacks by fireball and by troop of motorized paragliders a bunch of Israeli settlers (multiple copies of the same guy wearing a shirt that says “if I don’t steal it someone else gonna steal it), a bunch of baby hitlers, and a pair of actual Hitlers wearing an “ISSRAEL” basketball jersey and a headband that says “I stand with ISSrael.”

Also, Greta Thunberg, wearing a Palestine basketball jersey, dunks an octopus plushie doll (wearing a Hamas headband) over Amy Schumer, who is wearing pretty much the same “iSSrael” uniform that the pair of Hitlers are wearing.

In the background there’s also a calendar in which everyday is October 7th 2023, and a cartoon guy flipping a calendar that shows the same.

A pair of text items say “unlimited October 7s on the apartheid state of ‘ISSRAEL” and “THE WEST IS NEXT.”

By slammer on twitter

The end of an era kitty-birthday-sad

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[-] star_wraith@hexbear.net 55 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I know I’m preaching to the choir here… but this Bearing Witness film, it’s obviously bullshit right? It’s so weird that apparently they have this film of all of Hamas’ “crimes” on Oct 7… but no one other than select journalists are allowed to see it? And then there’s some special screening in LA which I assume is also for a select audience? I mean, if I was Israel and had lots of video evidence that I thought justified my military actions, I’d be sharing it everywhere. Like, creating a website where the world can view it for free and all.

I’m assuming it’s all doctored and/or easily debunked, which is why they don’t want to put it out there. I guess they would say “oh no it’s too gruesome to be viewed publicly” but it strains credulity to think that’s the line Israel won’t cross.

Also, the LA Times article about the film says it’s mostly from Hamas militants body cameras and cell phone footage. But… how would Israel get that? And why would Hamas film it in the first place? Love how journalists who have seen it don’t even ask these questions.

Real “my girlfriend goes to another school” vibes.

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[-] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 55 points 1 year ago

another enlightened lemmyworld take: Hamas is the terror wing of Israel

bitch then what the fuck is the IDF

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[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 55 points 1 year ago
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[-] Huldra@hexbear.net 55 points 1 year ago

Has anyone dubbed this new line of zionist nazi apologism(that hamas is uniquely evil and worse than the nazis because the nazis supposedly were ashamed and emotionally devastated by what they did) as the "shoah and cry" defense yet?

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[-] SerLava@hexbear.net 55 points 1 year ago

Just realized if Bernie Sanders wasn't such a fucking coward, he could have said fuck it and announced a third presidential campaign right now and scared the holy fuck out of liberals and Biden. Just swinging into it specifically because of the Gaza genocide. Even whispering that idea into the ear of a Biden aide would have had such a good chance of changing our policy

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[-] HarryLime@hexbear.net 55 points 1 year ago
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[-] egg1918@hexbear.net 54 points 1 year ago

open link in comment

press back after reading

Firefox takes me to megathread from 2 days ago

have to reload mega and find the comment chain again

angery

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[-] GVAGUY3@hexbear.net 54 points 1 year ago

Just imagining the Hamas propaganda makers proposing what they are doing now to the higher ups and them just being confused what video game stuff is

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