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From Naked Capitalism:

...one has to wonder what the latest Blinken round of visits to the Middle East was supposed to accomplish, since all it did was expose our impotence. Even the Financial Times could not hide that the meetings with Netanyahu and then Arab leaders were a train wreck. Netanyahu rejected even any itty bitty ceasefire, branded a humanitarian pause, to get relief in, demanding that Hamas release all hostages first. The fact that Israel has welched or underperformed on its past begrudging promises to let trucks from Egypt in, would make that a non-starter even before getting to Hamas being sure to stick to its position of wanting to trade hostages for Palestinian prisoners. And of course the Arab states are not about to budge. Blinken got a more pointed version of what he was told before.

Antony Blinken faced intense pressure from regional allies to facilitate an immediate ceasefire in Gaza, laying bare the stark gap between US support for Israel and the outrage in Arab capitals over the siege and bombardment of the strip….

Sameh Shoukry, the Egyptian foreign minister, demanded an unconditional ceasefire, a commitment that Israel’s prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu bluntly rejected after meeting Blinken on Friday.

Blinken had been expected to “brainstorm” with Arab diplomats the future of Gaza, home to 2.3mn Palestinians, after the war ends. Safadi bluntly rejected those talks as premature. “How can we even entertain what will happen in Gaza when we do not know how Gaza will be left?” he asked Blinken. “Are we going to be talking about a wasteland? Are we talking about a whole population reduced to refugees?”

This comes off as the sort of thing someone who had just read classic texts on negotiating trying to put in practice: “Gee, let’s get a dialogue going! Let’s get to ‘Yes’ on some less fraught issues to pave the way for further agreement!” In addition, “brainstorming” is cringemakingly American. You don’t do that with people who are mad at you. You don’t do that in a crisis. Between independent entities, you do not do that at the top level. You have low level people or emissaries float ideas. So why this exercise? The worst is that Biden and Blinken come off as so disconnected from reality that they though they might get someone to accommodate US needs.


Friendly reminder: when commenting about a news event, especially something that just happened, please provide a source of some kind. While ideally this would be on nitter or archived, any source is preferable to none at all given.

If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA daily-ish reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.
More telegram channels here for those interested.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is still Lebanon! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants. More detail here.



Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

You're going to have to (hex)bear with me on the update this week. Have you been feeling generally pretty terrible this last month or so? So have I, and doomscrolling and archiving it all is my quasi-job at this point. Not good, folks, more and more people are saying it. I'll get over it eventually.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[-] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 49 points 2 years ago

Pope forcibly removes a leading US conservative, Texas bishop Strickland

Bishop Strickland is a conservative who is active on social media and has been a fierce critic of the pontiff and some of his priorities

Pope Francis on Saturday forcibly removed the bishop of Tyler, Texas, a firebrand conservative prelate active on social media who has been a fierce critic of the pontiff and has come to symbolize the polarization within the U.S. Catholic hierarchy.

A one-line statement from the Vatican said Francis had “relieved” Bishop Joseph Strickland of the pastoral governance of Tyler and appointed the bishop of Austin as the temporary administrator.

Strickland, 65, has emerged as a leading critic of Francis, accusing him in a tweet earlier this year of “undermining the deposit of faith.” He has been particularly critical of Francis’ recent meeting on the future of the Catholic Church during which hot-button issues were discussed, including ways to better welcome LGBTQ+ Catholics.

Earlier this year, the Vatican sent in investigators to look into his governance of the diocese, amid reports that priests and laypeople in Tyler had complained and that he was making unorthodox claims.

The Vatican never released the findings and Strickland had insisted he wouldn’t resign voluntarily, saying in media interviews that he was given a mandate to serve as bishop in 2012 by the late Pope Benedict XVI and couldn’t abdicate that responsibility.

The conservative website LifeSiteNews, which said it interviewed Strickland on Saturday, quoted him as saying one of the reasons given for his ouster was his refusal to implement Francis’ 2021 restrictions on celebrating the old Latin Mass.

Francis’ crackdown on the old liturgy has become a rallying cry for traditionalist Catholics opposed to pontiff’s progressive bent. Strickland told LifeSite he refused to implement the restrictions “because I can’t starve out part of my flock.”

He said he stood by his decision, would do it again and “I feel very much at peace in the Lord and the truth that he died for.”

His firing sparked an immediate outcry among some conservatives and traditionalists who had held up Strickland as a leading point of Catholic reference to counter Francis’ progressive reforms. Michael J. Matt, editor of the traditionalist newspaper The Remnant, wrote that with the firing, Francis was “actively trying to bury fidelity to the Church of Jesus Christ.”

“This is total war,” Matt wrote on X, formerly Twitter. “Francis is a clear and present danger not only to Catholics the world over but also to the whole world itself.”

The two Vatican investigators sent into investigate Strickland — Bishop Dennis Sullivan of Camden, N.J., and the retired bishop of Tucson, Ariz., Bishop Emeritus Gerald Kicanas — “conducted an exhaustive inquiry into all aspects of the governance and leadership of the diocese,” said the head of the church in Texas, Cardinal Daniel DiNardo

After their investigation, a recommendation was made to Francis that “the continuation in office of Bishop Strickland was not feasible,” DiNardo said in a statement Saturday.

The Vatican asked Strickland to resign Nov. 9, but he declined, prompting Francis to remove him from office two days later, DiNardo’s statement said.

It is rare for the pope to forcibly remove a bishop from office. Bishops are required to offer to resign when they reach 75. When the Vatican uncovers issues with governance or other problems that require a bishop to leave office before then, the Vatican usually seeks to pressure him to offer to resign for the good of his diocese and the church.

That was the case when another U.S. bishop was forced out earlier this year following a Vatican investigation. Knoxville, Tenn. Bishop Richard Stika resigned voluntarily, albeit under pressure, following allegations he mishandled sex abuse allegations, and his priests complained about his leadership and behavior.

But with Strickland, the Vatican statement made clear he had not offered to resign, and that Francis had instead “relieved” him from his job.

Francis has not been shy about his concerns about the right wing in the U.S. Catholic hierarchy, which has been split between progressives and conservatives who long found support in the doctrinaire papacies of St. John Paul II and Benedict XVI, particularly on issues of abortion and same-sex marriage.

Strickland backed Vigano’s conspiracy theories (theories rather than conspiracies themselves, right?) about the COVID-19 pandemic, and on Saturday Vigano wrote that Strickland’s ouster showed a “cowardly form of authoritarianism” by Francis. “This affair will reveal who stands with the true Church of Christ and who chooses to stand with His declared enemies,” Vigano wrote on X.

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[-] GVAGUY3@hexbear.net 49 points 2 years ago

Local subreddit is pissed about the Palestine protest today

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[-] SteamedHamberder@hexbear.net 49 points 2 years ago

If you see a gofundme request for the idf-cool , report it. I've already seen a couple on social media.

According to their FAQ:

Can I raise funds for the military?

No. While you may raise funds for humanitarian aid, fundraising to support any armed conflict is not allowed, regardless of the country. This includes funding weapons, protective gear, defensive equipment, travel to participate in any armed conflict except as required by a national government, or goods and services for soldiers, territorial defense or security force, and more.

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[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 49 points 2 years ago
[-] emizeko@hexbear.net 49 points 2 years ago

new Moon of Alabama

A Few Notes On The War On Palestine

Having been lightly prodded by the Biden administration the Netanyahoo regime in Palestine agreed to split its days into a 20 hours block dedicated to genociding Palestinians and a 4 hours block for ethnic cleansing.

continues at https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/11/notes-on-the-war-on-palestine.html

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 49 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

U.S. diplomats slam Israel policy in leaked memo - POLITICO

The document offers a window into internal fury at the State Department over President Joe Biden’s Middle East policies.

State Department staffers offered a blistering critique of the Biden administration’s handling of the Israel-Hamas war in a dissent memo obtained by POLITICO, arguing that, among other things, the U.S. should be willing to publicly criticize the Israelis.

Slams? Fury? Blistering? I'm certain they didn't even use the word "must". Anyway - there's this...

The memo has two key requests: that the U.S. support a ceasefire, and that it balance its private and public messaging toward Israel, including airing criticisms of Israeli military tactics and treatment of Palestinians that the U.S. generally prefers to keep private.

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[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 49 points 2 years ago

I noticed something I hadn't seen since the war started. An American correspondent in Israel streaming live wearing business clothes. Is this meant to mean that - bad pun intended - it's business as usual in Tel Aviv?

Also an MNSBC anchor just called the four hour pause a "window of hope". And then she asked a go-to military guy (an ex-supreme commander of NATO) what he thought of it. In unsurprising news - he's a MIC mouthpiece.

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[-] buh@hexbear.net 49 points 2 years ago

#BREAKING| According to testimonies by Palestinians displaced from Al Naser neighborhood in western #Gaza, American soldiers were on the ground participating in #Israel's offensive on #Gaza.

https://twitter.com/qudsnen/status/1723791891311792484
https://nitter.net/qudsnen/status/1723791891311792484

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[-] niph@hexbear.net 49 points 2 years ago

Maybe it’s because I just had my covid booster but it just feels so overwhelming and depressing like. It’s mask off genocide and the democrats apparently can’t even be driven by self interest, totally willing to tank their own numbers and maybe throw an election just to prop up fascism Make it make sense

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[-] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 49 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

To add to my earlier point of 17,000 South Africans in the IDF - Isnotreal isn't allowing the Irish to leave the Gaza Strip (and probably anyone with South African citizenship either).

Just like in literally 1984, the pro-Apartheid militants are massacring other South Africans with impunity.

Uncritical support to extradite the 17,000 and feed them to the big cats in the Johannesburg Zoo. I get free admission and snacks then.

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[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 48 points 2 years ago

Leftist subs need to stop going private because of Vaushite/Destiny brigaders. It's only fueling them more.

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[-] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 48 points 2 years ago

I am nationalizing the lathe and putting it under communist control, effective immediately

[-] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 48 points 2 years ago

The real reason the Zapistanis are dissolving their municipalities is because they will soon announce the organization of the Lower Mexican Soviet Republic, and aim to liberate all of Mexico from capitalism

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[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 48 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Keir Starmer is battling to reassert his authority within the Labour party over the conflict in Gaza, with four shadow ministers prepared to quit in the coming days and up to 10 others on “resignation watch”.

The Labour leader is facing a rebellion by as many as a dozen shadow ministers, who sources say are ready to resign rather than vote against calling for a ceasefire in the Middle East, which Starmer has refused to back.

Several Labour MPs say they are under huge pressure from party members and constituents to take a firmer stance against the Israeli invasion of Gaza, as tens of thousands of people are expected to take part in pro-Palestinian protests in London this weekend.

A Labour official said party leaders were closely watching as many as 15 shadow ministers who have high numbers of Muslim constituents for signs they are about to quit, after the resignation of Imran Hussain on Tuesday night. None are understood to be in the shadow cabinet.

One Labour frontbencher told the Guardian:

My position has always been [that] the only way forward is a ceasefire. The pause [as advocated by Starmer] will not solve the problem. Someone needs to say enough is enough.

Another said:

I have over 600 emails on this which is more than any other subject ever, including Brexit and Covid I don’t know a Labour MP who isn’t under pressure at the moment.

- The Guardian

Does anybody want to add some context and make some predictions? I'm American so this is all Greek to me.

[Edit - I made a small one.]

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[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 48 points 2 years ago
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[-] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 48 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

AltTime person of the year cover edited so Zelensky is wearing Hamas headband and a New People’s Army bandana. Putin edited as a monkey sits on his shoulder. Over the other shoulder is Sean Penn’s Oscar, also wearing a Hamas headband

in the background, Palestinians wave their flag. Also, the twin towers on 9/11

In front Benjamin Netanyahu is holding his head, a red triangle floating over his head (indicating he is about to be a target of attack)

There are 4 items of text. First: PERSON OF THE YEAR/ Volodymyr Zelensky and the spirit of Ukraine. Second, in quotes: ‘How do you kill a parasite [the U.S.A.]? You become the parasite’s parasite.’ — JDPON ZELENSKY. Third, a tweet from Marjorie Taylor Greene edited so it looks like it’s coming from the associated press that claims the weapons the US gives Ukraine are being used by Hamas. Fourth a real headline that reads “BIDEN PUMPS BILLIONS INTO THE LONG WAR IN UKRAINE. But don’t expect to see new weapons on the battlefield anytime soon.”

By slammer on twitter bird-mad

zelensky-navi

I have a blueskkky code if anyone wants it

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[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 48 points 2 years ago

No Palestinian Authority in post-war Gaza: Netanyahu

Israel’s leader has ruled out a role for the current Palestinian Authority government in Gaza once the war between Israel and Hamas is over.

“There will have to be something else there,” he said when asked whether the PA, which has partial administrative control in the occupied West Bank, may govern Gaza after the war.

“There won’t be a civilian authority that educates their children to hate Israel, to kill Israelis, to wipe out the state of Israel,” Netanyahu said.

- Al Jazeera

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[-] zephyreks@hexbear.net 48 points 2 years ago
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[-] iheartmold@hexbear.net 48 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

"We found a Mein Kampf book that is in pristine condition in a war zone totally not staged!!!!!"

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[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 47 points 2 years ago

In Gaza, ‘even children think of death’, says resident

Yousri al-Ghoul, a Palestinian political writer, said Israel is committing “ethnic cleansing” in Gaza.

Al-Ghoul left al-Shati refugee camp for Jabalia in northern Gaza.

“We didn’t know where to go,” he told Al Jazeera. Al-Ghoul said he and his family did not make the trip to the south due to safety concerns.

He said people who made it south have told him that Israeli troops set up multiple checkpoints, “killed many and took many as prisoners stole their money, stole their jewellery, everything they have”.

“No place in Gaza is safe,” he said. “We don’t have fuel, we don’t have bakeries, we don’t have bread, we don’t have water.

“Everyone here, even children, think of death.”

-Al Jazeera

Awful. And that's the first I've heard of checkpoints in Gaza.

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[-] emizeko@hexbear.net 47 points 2 years ago

Mahmoud Abbas is 87 years old, even older than Biden

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[-] Dessa@hexbear.net 47 points 2 years ago

I stg if this massacre ends in a puff of pink smoke announcing Netanyahu's baby daughter I'm gonna be so mad

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 47 points 2 years ago

We've entered that part of the war where all the uncertainties feel mostly settled and now it's just grind and I hate it.

All avenues for aid feel like they're closed. All pressures for a ceasefire feel closed. Best we can do is getting unions to strike against support.

North Gaza will eventually be defeated, it's a matter of time and grind on the current trajectory with no other forces doing anything worthwhile (fuck you hezbollah). Israel will hand it over to their puppets at the PA and will regularly intervene in any attempts to dislodge the PA's control there. This will cost Israel a lot but it won't matter as every other power in the region has made it clear that they're cucked.

Either a huge surprise happens and one of the players actually does something (unlikely now) or this is the path things are on.

[-] Dessa@hexbear.net 48 points 2 years ago

The iron dome appears to be failing and Hezbollah spoke of gradual escalation, which we are indeed seeing. Israel is suffering heavy losses and their economy is faltering and desperately awaiting an aid package for an utterly paralyzed US congress to approve (the 320m biden sent ain't shit). Meanwhile, dockworkers are blocking military shipments in another country while PR slowly erodes for Israel.

This fight is far from over.

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[-] volcel_olive_oil@hexbear.net 47 points 2 years ago

once the news mega hits 10000-com posts lemmy will fall

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[-] BigBoyKarlLiebknecht@hexbear.net 47 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

trump-moist And then along came a very powerful leader, you know who that is, and he said, 'no more.' mao-aggro-shining

Edit:

More content

trump-who-must-go There’s nobody in Hollywood who can play the role of President Xi. The look, the strength, the voice. xigma-male

trump-drenched Kim Jong-un I have a good relationship with…he’s a tough smart guy kim-drip-too-hard

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[-] JamesConeZone@hexbear.net 47 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Cornel West gets a lot of shit and rightfully so, but I just saw him essentially say that NATO aggression caused the Ukraine war on CNN. I'll have to find the clip, but shit was wild

Here's the edited version his campaign put out on his twitter. He couched it in lib statements but also included the hashtag #AbolishNATO

I'm interested if this signals any shift in the discourse at all wrt NATO, etc in the general lib populace or if this will be dismissed as wack and fanatic

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[-] blight@hexbear.net 47 points 2 years ago

We all know "world war" only happens in europe if it's in the early 20th century and must involve germans etc., but no, really, what is a world war and why does the category matter?

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[-] Eldungeon2@hexbear.net 47 points 2 years ago
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[-] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 47 points 2 years ago

Jim Acosta on CNN tonight to some other bozo clown: "Do we know who's firing on the people trying to leave the hospitals?"

Gee pal I dunno, it's probably evil Hamas shooting their own people to make perfect heaven baby angel soldiers the IDF look bad.

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