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Why do people keep saying the Republicans "don't want" or "are trying to avoid" a government shutdown when we can turn on CSPAN and watch them work tirelessly to ensure a shutdown?
News orgs seem to always take conservatives at their word, even though that word is pretty much always a lie.
What do you mean "Subpoenaing Hunter Biden won't stop the government from shutting down"?
I dunno, I believe it. McCarthy fell on his sword to avoid a shut down. I bet the polling (not to mention history) shows that they would be the ones to pay the political price because they have the majority. It’s not even clear what they would gain from a shut down at this point.
The thing is tough, they could very easily avoid a shutdown by cooperating with the Democratic party. But they won't.
Imagine an escape room with an open door, if you can't get out of that room, you're not trying.
That’s also political suicide for them. A shutdown under their watch, or cooperating with Dems despite technically having a majority are both costly. Which is why they’re in the position they’re in.
I’m genuinely surprised by all the people saying they’re doing this on purpose. They seem miserable and furious with each other.
It is absolutely true that working with the Democrats is political suicide for them, but it's not like their voters are going to remember it tomorrow. They have the collective memory of a fruit fly. They may be pissed and bitch for a little bit but there will be hundreds more strawmen to distract their voters with in the next year.
Perhaps "on purpose" doesn't go for the whole Republican assembly outside of the Crazy 8, but they're definitely not trying as hard as they say they are.
Voters absolutely have punished parties for shut downs, and for being too cooperative with the enemy. People get primaried out of a job for a lot less than working with the other party against their own colleagues when they have the majority. It’s almost unprecedented. This has already destroyed the last of McCarthy’s pathetic career. Honestly, this is as silly as people who said that Republicans can “simply” vote for Hakeem Jeffries for speaker to end the stalemate. It’s just not how US politics works.
I think lemmings are wanting to endorse whatever makes Republicans out to be the most intentionally nefarious — and look, I’m all for that because fuck Republicans — but it’s just plainly untrue here. They clearly hate this situation. This is not intentional.
TBH, except for the fact that the civil servants wouldn't get paid and Congress will, I'd be fine if the House took a year-long sabbatical. Not like they're going to accomplish anything, with Mike bringing loser bills to the floor at every opportunity.
To me, hoping government does nothing is more of a conservative thing.
I would normally agree, but at this point, with the MAGA Republicans holding the purse strings (the House can do a lot of damage by messing with budgets), I'll take a bit of gridlock in the House.
Nah nothing ridiculous will get through the senate and Biden’s veto. The US is often described as having the most vetos of any democracy in the world.
That said, if and when the Senate or the Presidency flips, I’m with you.
So... They do want a government shutdown
The plan is to tell people they don't want a shut down
Pfft. You think the republicans would just go around lying to everyone!? Gyah!
But the MAGA House Republicans DO want a Government shutdown. We must face that basic fact. They are anti-government, so a government shutdown is exactly what they want. We must find a way to make a shutdown cost them something which they find important, or they will never try to work out a solution.
Shut down the FFL background check hotline.
That definitely doesn't seem like a necessary every day program that needs funding during a shutdown. It can surely wait for Congress to do their job and just run a backlog to go through once they are funded again.
These politicians don't have any qualms about programs for food, housing, and healthcare with years long backlogs, a boomstick can wait.
Pretty sure if it’s down, the FFLs can complete it after a small wait, so that could backfire
“We’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of ideas.”
House Republicans ~don't~ want a government shutdown, ~but~ so there's still no plan
There ya go.
I'm telling you, I'm betting he'll be out by Dec 1. The best deal Republicans can get is whatever the Senate puts together, and it'll only pass the House if Democrats vote for it too.
So either Johnson starts a shutdown over a "my way or the highway" temper tantrum, or he gets the bill through the House and Gaetz gets angry and ousts him.
That’s exactly what they want. Starting fires and blaming their opponents is a core GOP strategy.
We’re gonna need a couple of house speakers and a shit ton of booze
Actually I think Mitch McConnell and everybody to his left knows the plan — a regular CR. Mike Johnson’s not ready to execute it.
Hey, 9 days... plenty of time!
This is the best summary I could come up with:
WASHINGTON — After three weeks of chaos and paralysis over the speaker fight, House Republicans say there’s no appetite in their conference for lurching into another crisis: a government shutdown.
Speaker Mike Johnson, R-La., hasn’t announced a plan after walking Republicans through several options, and he said the details and next steps of a short-term funding bill remain up in the air.
On the other side of the Capitol, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., declined Tuesday to reveal his preferences on a funding bill, how long it should last or when it might come to a vote.
Sen. Susan Collins of Maine, the top Senate GOP appropriator, was set to meet Wednesday with Johnson to discuss the path forward on government funding, said two sources with knowledge of the plan.
It sparked a nasty civil war among House Republicans as they struggled for 22 days to elect McCarthy’s successor — a battle that froze the chamber and prevented the party from moving their spending bills.
Some lawmakers say the most plausible scenario is that Johnson puts a relatively clean CR on the floor, just before the shutdown deadline, that can pass with both Republican and Democratic votes — just as McCarthy did before his ouster.
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