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[-] finthechat@kbin.social 233 points 1 year ago

tl;dr - a small number of bad actors are causing too much trouble, so the owner is pulling the plug on Omegle rather than continuing to fight uphill against it. The post is also a sad farewell letter where Leif reminisces a bit about the old internet and how people used to actually use it to not be total assholes to strangers all the time

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In recent years, it seems like the whole world has become more ornery. Maybe that has something to do with the pandemic, or with political disagreements. Whatever the reason, people have become faster to attack, and slower to recognize each other’s shared humanity. One aspect of this has been a constant barrage of attacks on communication services, Omegle included, based on the behavior of a malicious subset of users.

The battle for Omegle has been lost, but the war against the Internet rages on. Virtually every online communication service has been subject to the same kinds of attack as Omegle; and while some of them are much larger companies with much greater resources, they all have their breaking point somewhere. I worry that, unless the tide turns soon, the Internet I fell in love with may cease to exist, and in its place, we will have something closer to a souped-up version of TV – focused largely on passive consumption, with much less opportunity for active participation and genuine human connection. If that sounds like a bad idea to you, please consider donating to the Electronic Frontier Foundation, an organization that fights for your rights online.

[-] Geth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 year ago

I never used the site but as far as I've seen, whenever you encounter an asshole the only option was to skip to the next person. Was there a report button? A voting system might have worked, where down voted people or bots would be isolated and excluded from the community.

[-] zaphod@feddit.de 38 points 1 year ago

Not sure that existed, but how would it work? There were no accounts and IPs are ephemeral.

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[-] x4740N@lemmy.world 91 points 1 year ago

Here is a copy of the text on the website because I believe it does a very good job at pointing out the issues in current society:

Dear strangers,

From the moment I discovered the Internet at a young age, it has been a magical place to me. Growing up in a small town, relatively isolated from the larger world, it was a revelation how much more there was to discover – how many interesting people and ideas the world had to offer.

As a young teenager, I couldn’t just waltz onto a college campus and tell a student: “Let’s debate moral philosophy!” I couldn’t walk up to a professor and say: “Tell me something interesting about microeconomics!” But online, I was able to meet those people, and have those conversations. I was also an avid Wikipedia editor; I contributed to open source software projects; and I often helped answer computer programming questions posed by people many years older than me.

In short, the Internet opened the door to a much larger, more diverse, and more vibrant world than I would have otherwise been able to experience; and enabled me to be an active participant in, and contributor to, that world. All of this helped me to learn, and to grow into a more well-rounded person.

Moreover, as a survivor of childhood rape, I was acutely aware that any time I interacted with someone in the physical world, I was risking my physical body. The Internet gave me a refuge from that fear. I was under no illusion that only good people used the Internet; but I knew that, if I said “no” to someone online, they couldn’t physically reach through the screen and hold a weapon to my head, or worse. I saw the miles of copper wires and fiber-optic cables between me and other people as a kind of shield – one that empowered me to be less isolated than my trauma and fear would have otherwise allowed.

I launched Omegle when I was 18 years old, and still living with my parents. It was meant to build on the things I loved about the Internet, while introducing a form of social spontaneity that I felt didn’t exist elsewhere. If the Internet is a manifestation of the “global village”, Omegle was meant to be a way of strolling down a street in that village, striking up conversations with the people you ran into along the way.

The premise was rather straightforward: when you used Omegle, it would randomly place you in a chat with someone else. These chats could be as long or as short as you chose. If you didn’t want to talk to a particular person, for whatever reason, you could simply end the chat and – if desired – move onto another chat with someone else. It was the idea of “meeting new people” distilled down to almost its platonic ideal.

[-] x4740N@lemmy.world 71 points 1 year ago

Building on what I saw as the intrinsic safety benefits of the Internet, users were anonymous to each other by default. This made chats more self-contained, and made it less likely that a malicious person would be able to track someone else down off-site after their chat ended.

I didn’t really know what to expect when I launched Omegle. Would anyone even care about some Web site that an 18 year old kid made in his bedroom in his parents’ house in Vermont, with no marketing budget? But it became popular almost instantly after launch, and grew organically from there, reaching millions of daily users. I believe this had something to do with meeting new people being a basic human need, and with Omegle being among the best ways to fulfill that need. As the saying goes: “If you build a better mousetrap, the world will beat a path to your door.”

Over the years, people have used Omegle to explore foreign cultures; to get advice about their lives from impartial third parties; and to help alleviate feelings of loneliness and isolation. I’ve even heard stories of soulmates meeting on Omegle, and getting married. Those are only some of the highlights.

Unfortunately, there are also lowlights. Virtually every tool can be used for good or for evil, and that is especially true of communication tools, due to their innate flexibility. The telephone can be used to wish your grandmother “happy birthday”, but it can also be used to call in a bomb threat. There can be no honest accounting of Omegle without acknowledging that some people misused it, including to commit unspeakably heinous crimes.

I believe in a responsibility to be a “good Samaritan”, and to implement reasonable measures to fight crime and other misuse. That is exactly what Omegle did. In addition to the basic safety feature of anonymity, there was a great deal of moderation behind the scenes, including state-of-the-art AI operating in concert with a wonderful team of human moderators. Omegle punched above its weight in content moderation, and I’m proud of what we accomplished.

Omegle’s moderation even had a positive impact beyond the site. Omegle worked with law enforcement agencies, and the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, to help put evildoers in prison where they belong. There are “people” rotting behind bars right now thanks in part to evidence that Omegle proactively collected against them, and tipped the authorities off to.

All that said, the fight against crime isn’t one that can ever truly be won. It’s a never-ending battle that must be fought and re-fought every day; and even if you do the very best job it is possible for you to do, you may make a sizable dent, but you won’t “win” in any absolute sense of that word. That’s heartbreaking, but it’s also a basic lesson of criminology, and one that I think the vast majority of people understand on some level. Even superheroes, the fictional characters that our culture imbues with special powers as a form of wish fulfillment in the fight against crime, don’t succeed at eliminating crime altogether.

In recent years, it seems like the whole world has become more ornery. Maybe that has something to do with the pandemic, or with political disagreements. Whatever the reason, people have become faster to attack, and slower to recognize each other’s shared humanity. One aspect of this has been a constant barrage of attacks on communication services, Omegle included, based on the behavior of a malicious subset of users.

To an extent, it is reasonable to question the policies and practices of any place where crime has occurred. I have always welcomed constructive feedback; and indeed, Omegle implemented a number of improvements based on such feedback over the years. However, the recent attacks have felt anything but constructive. The only way to please these people is to stop offering the service. Sometimes they say so, explicitly and avowedly; other times, it can be inferred from their act of setting standards that are not humanly achievable. Either way, the net result is the same.

Omegle is the direct target of these attacks, but their ultimate victim is you: all of you out there who have used, or would have used, Omegle to improve your lives, and the lives of others. When they say Omegle shouldn’t exist, they are really saying that you shouldn’t be allowed to use it; that you shouldn’t be allowed to meet random new people online. That idea is anathema to the ideals I cherish – specifically, to the bedrock principle of a free society that, when restrictions are imposed to prevent crime, the burden of those restrictions must not be targeted at innocent victims or potential victims of crime.

Consider the idea that society ought to force women to dress modestly in order to prevent rape. One counter-argument is that rapists don’t really target women based on their clothing; but a more powerful counter-argument is that, irrespective of what rapists do, women’s rights should remain intact. If society robs women of their rights to bodily autonomy and self-expression based on the actions of rapists – even if it does so with the best intentions in the world – then society is practically doing the work of rapists for them.

Fear can be a valuable tool, guiding us away from danger. However, fear can also be a mental cage that keeps us from all of the things that make life worth living. Individuals and families must be allowed to strike the right balance for themselves, based on their own unique circumstances and needs. A world of mandatory fear is a world ruled by fear – a dark place indeed.

I’ve done my best to weather the attacks, with the interests of Omegle’s users – and the broader principle – in mind. If something as simple as meeting random new people is forbidden, what’s next? That is far and away removed from anything that could be considered a reasonable compromise of the principle I outlined. Analogies are a limited tool, but a physical-world analogy might be shutting down Central Park because crime occurs there – or perhaps more provocatively, destroying the universe because it contains evil. A healthy, free society cannot endure when we are collectively afraid of each other to this extent.

Unfortunately, what is right doesn’t always prevail. As much as I wish circumstances were different, the stress and expense of this fight – coupled with the existing stress and expense of operating Omegle, and fighting its misuse – are simply too much. Operating Omegle is no longer sustainable, financially nor psychologically. Frankly, I don’t want to have a heart attack in my 30s.

The battle for Omegle has been lost, but the war against the Internet rages on. Virtually every online communication service has been subject to the same kinds of attack as Omegle; and while some of them are much larger companies with much greater resources, they all have their breaking point somewhere. I worry that, unless the tide turns soon, the Internet I fell in love with may cease to exist, and in its place, we will have something closer to a souped-up version of TV – focused largely on passive consumption, with much less opportunity for active participation and genuine human connection. If that sounds like a bad idea to you, please consider donating to the Electronic Frontier Foundation, an organization that fights for your rights online.

From the bottom of my heart, thank you to everyone who used Omegle for positive purposes, and to everyone who contributed to the site’s success in any way. I’m so sorry I couldn’t keep fighting for you.

Sincerely, Leif K-Brooks Founder, Omegle.com LLC

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[-] reversebananimals@lemmy.world 71 points 1 year ago

The battle for Omegle has been lost, but the war against the Internet rages on. Virtually every online communication service has been subject to the same kinds of attack as Omegle; and while some of them are much larger companies with much greater resources, they all have their breaking point somewhere. I worry that, unless the tide turns soon, the Internet I fell in love with may cease to exist, and in its place, we will have something closer to a souped-up version of TV – focused largely on passive consumption, with much less opportunity for active participation and genuine human connection. If that sounds like a bad idea to you, please consider donating to the Electronic Frontier Foundation, an organization that fights for your rights online.

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If you are reading this, take 10 minutes to read the post. It’s worth it.

[-] Ab_intra@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

I did and kudos to him and his team for makikg the world a tiny better. But unfortunately it also had its negative sides to it.. But he and his team can't be blamed for what some assholes use his services for.

[-] Hobbes@startrek.website 10 points 1 year ago

Yes. Even for people who don't like reading the articles, this is not one to skip.

[-] BrotherL0v3@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago

End of an era. I met my wife on Omegle.

[-] Rambomst@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Me too! My wife and I have been married for over 10 years now.

[-] Cornpop@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Kinda crazy how many of us met our partners on there lol. I’ve been married a similar amount of time. Wifey moved from Sweden to the US to me with me :)

[-] nix@merv.news 13 points 1 year ago
[-] BrotherL0v3@lemmy.world 58 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I was a weird 16 year old, staying up too late on summer vacation of 2011. I had decided that asking people their favorite dinosaur was the ultimate conversation starter, and had a working theory that the more unusual their answer was, the more interesting the conversation would be. People who said "T-Rex" were lame, but "Iguanadon" would be cool, something like that.

Well, she said "Pachycephalosaurus", which was the first one of the night I had to look up. Naturally, I was enthralled.

We talked into the wee hours of the morning, where she (being a fellow dumb teenager) sent me her Facebook profile. Before clicking, I had decided that I would look but ultimately not accept her friend request, because stranger danger and all. But when I checked out her page, it turned out we had a mutual friend! A guy we both knew had started high school with her, and moved up the coast halfway through and was currently going to my high school.

That was good enough for me, and I accepted her friend request. July 7th, 2011, around 3am.

From there, we quickly turned flirty and started talking all the time. We weren't anything official, but I told her I loved her within a couple weeks. One problem though: she was over 400 miles away, and I was still in school with no license.

To make a long story short, we were flirty on and off for the next three years until 2014, where we both decided "fuck it" and jumped into the special hell that is long distance dating together. I got to see her in person December 14th of that year after working at a grocery store while finishing up my associate's degree to make enough money for a train ticket, and she was my first kiss.

Anyway, college sucked and long distance dating sucks even when it's the right person. Fast-forward to 2020 when I finally have a car & some degree of financial stability, I moved 400 miles away to live with her & haven't looked back. Put a ring on her finger March of 2021, and married her on the beach last weekend after knowing her for twelve years. She is currently snoring gracefully in bed next to me. 🥰

[-] Cornpop@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

A also met my now wife on Omegle. I lived in Florida, she lived in Sweden. She lives with me here in FL now, been married for almost 10 years now. Crazy stuff!

[-] sosodev@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I too met my wife on Omegle. It was in text chat. We were both around 14 years old at the time. I don’t remember what talked about but we ended up exchanging phone numbers. We texted for years and would sometimes play video games together.

Eventually towards the end of high school I was able to fly out to visit her. I did that a few times and was totally convinced at the point I was in love. So I moved across the country to be with her after graduation.

Married and few years ago and we’re 27 now so it’s been 13 years since we met on there. :)

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[-] lolola@lemmy.blahaj.zone 50 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is kind of sad. I've been using the site a fair amount recently to help get through some depressive episodes and the social withdrawal/isolation that come with them. Granted, about 50% of conversations were bots, and 40% were guys just looking for girls to send them nudes, but the other 10% or so was pretty interesting conversations.

I guess this will be the impetus to get back out and socialize IRL again. Or to find a new chat-with-randos service. Or to keep spiraling deeper into depression. We'll see.

Edit: It was also kinda nice to be treated like a woman without being treated differently for being trans.

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[-] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago
[-] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 36 points 1 year ago

I'd say it's more likely from the right...

[-] Holyginz@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

It's without a doubt from the right.

[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Dude used to put right wing libertarian talking points on the Home Screen during elections.

[-] STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world 41 points 11 months ago

Omegle was a big website that millions of people uses that was created by just one guy. I think that part of the Internet is gone. Nowadays everyone wants something that already established and with how much it takes to run a website. The only people who can afford to run a website are big corporations. It's a sad state of affairs.

[-] theFibonacciEffect@feddit.de 40 points 1 year ago

I used it only once and actually had a bit of small talk with someone from the Philippines. It was very exciting that I could just talk to someone from the other end of the world just like this.

[-] lmaydev@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

That's exactly why they created it.

Also as a rape survivor it allowed them to meet people without any real world risks.

[-] Markimus@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago

I went on omegle not too long ago actually and the thing I remember was that the text version of the website was inundated with bots.

You had to skip through maybe 10-15 bots before you would find that one real person, and even then it was hit or miss whether they would actually want to stay and have a conversation.

Another thing: the constant "asl" as the top of every conversation; it's like people were trying to use it as a hook-up / dating / sexting app rather than it's actual purpose of connecting with people from around the world. I think that mission got lost somewhere.

[-] Azzu@lemm.ee 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The mission never got lost. It's just become popular and thus attracted the average person, and most people do not care about "connecting with people" in the way that you maybe do. Has nothing to do with the site itself really.

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[-] nucleative@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago

I checked it out a few times over the years, but was put off by the behavior of some of the people. The concept is fascinating because, as the founder mentions in his letter, there IS some safety in anonymity and expressing yourself more authentically without the physical risk is possible.

Humans mostly have "acceptable behavior" filters in public, but this system also stripped many of those away. Which led to a lot of people incorrectly assuming they could do bad stuff on this platform without consequences.

I think it's too bad this is the way it's got to go. Despite not really being a user, Omegle feels like part of Internet 1.5.

[-] Copythis@lemmy.world 28 points 11 months ago

This is sad! I have so many great memories on Omegle.

I have a logitech g920 race wheel. I used to set up my phone as a Webcam and use OBS studio to make it look like I was a YouTuber and I'd go on there and stream BeamNG.

I met people from all over the world, and had some super deep conversations with people. It was like free therapy.

[-] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 28 points 1 year ago

I used Omegle a lot when it was still text-only chat more that a decade ago. Overall I had a positive experience, It was fun talking to strangers from all over the world. I never tried their video chat though, so I can't say if it's actually that horrible. Back then when it was text-only, so at least I don't have to worry about seeing some dicks. But if child predators favor the site now, even if Omegle went back to text-only, they'll still find a way to trick kids just like in other chat platforms.

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[-] Steveanonymous@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago
[-] finthechat@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

Me too. I thought it was a great read.

[-] treadful@lemmy.zip 22 points 1 year ago

I really liked the idea. Didn't like all the dicks though. Shame they couldn't solve that.

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[-] burntbutterbiscuits@sh.itjust.works 22 points 11 months ago

I don’t think people are capable of engaging in genuine discourse about human sexuality.

The people who are always crying about pedos and such every time anything related to the internet and sexuality is brought up in the news creep me out.

But both reddit and lemmy also have some fucked up shit posted in them as well.

It’s not black and white…. You could almost say it is 50 shardes of gray……..

[-] oxjox@lemmy.ml 21 points 11 months ago

That was actually a super interesting, and somber, read.

It's gets to, in part, the heart of free speech and government oversight. Even the opening C.S. Lewis quote is something worth applying to today's (US) political parties. It's difficult, for me, to consider the need to impose restrictions on the liberties of free people for the sake of a minor group of wrong doers.

Some topical issues I'm applying this perspective to are gun restrictions, Twitter, abortion, masks. I think we're all quick to scream about what should be done to resolve the issue at the surface without taking a moment to consider the ramifications or the deeper causes driving the issue. Although, isn't the deeper issue simply human nature? How do you solve that problem if not by imposing restrictions on the liberties of free people? Doesn't a civil society require some level of restriction in order to foster trust and respect? Isn't this why ancient civilizations created religion to begin with?

I mean, you have to admit that "free society" is an oxymoron.

[-] Chetzemoka@startrek.website 28 points 11 months ago

free speech and government oversight

That's not what I read into this at all, but something far more sinister that I see happening in the world right now. Certain power players using "government oversight" as a disingenuous excuse to attack the means for regular people around the world to speak directly to one another without the filters that favor narratives that the power players prefer, and for regular people to coordinate with one another.

The Arab Spring and BLM protests scared some people and it's showing.

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[-] Chozo@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago

Dang, that's a bummer. I never really used it because the novelty of it ran out pretty quick for me, but it's always disappointing seeing such a staple of the internet disappear like that.

[-] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

You can't make a web2.0 internet omelette without breaking Omegle.

[-] Xttweaponttx@sh.itjust.works 15 points 11 months ago

I'd never used it either, but what a truly sad event to see it shutting down for the reasons it is. Big ups to the folks that kept it going for as long as they did. ❤️❤️

[-] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 14 points 1 year ago

That's really sad and disappointing. I was never really into Omegle; I knew it was around for a long time, but it was too sketchy for me to want to browse it myself. However, during the COVID lockdown I discovered a new genre of YouTube videos that I gained a fascination with: VRChat Omegle. The YouTuber(s) (sometimes multiple) would get together in vrchat and setup a virtual camera that would interface with Omegle like a normal webcam. The result was entertaining, especially when it came to furry YouTubers.

In some ways it'd get kinda stale because 90% of the reactions would be, "whoa, how are you doing that bro???" but it was still entertaining nevertheless. Even people the people who hate furries had to stop and ask questions like, "bro, is that an instagram filter bro?" or "wait... Is that... REAL???" It was particularly interesting when they'd occasionally get someone who knew how to execute man-in-the-middle attacks to fuck with the people on both ends (it seemed to be innocent trolling most of the time, though I'm sure there were bad actors doing it as well).

It's sad that it's gone now.

[-] Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 11 months ago

I met two close friends on Omegle around a decade ago. They were such a important part of my young adulthood. I tried it again a few years ago and it was nothing but horniness. Such a sad destruction of a great site.

[-] Resol@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

I miss talking to that guy from Egypt, I can't remember his name. But it was worth it.

[-] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

Damn... I've known this thing since high school :(

[-] Sygheil@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Used the platform during tough times not for a shag. People are helpful. If you are here thank you.

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