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[-] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 128 points 11 months ago

The people who called us conspiracy theorists and Putin lovers for saying all along that it wasn't Russia will never apologize or acknowledge their mistake, and they'll swallow the next obvious lie without a moment's hesitation.

[-] Tachanka@hexbear.net 104 points 11 months ago
[-] panopticon@hexbear.net 26 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Kind of weird question maybe, I'm up unreasonably late, but is there a term for the thought process that leads someone to a probably true conclusion (such as the US, Norway, and Ukraine collaborated on the nordstream demolition) due to inference/pattern recognition/intuition, without undeniable evidence?

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[-] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 108 points 11 months ago

The United States did this, full stop. If Ukraine did it then the EU is fully naked and unprotected.

[-] pooh@hexbear.net 90 points 11 months ago

Yeah this is just setting up Ukraine as the fall guy. I still think it was really the US and Norway, like Seymour Hersch said it was: https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream

[-] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 73 points 11 months ago

Genuinely, if this was Ukraine then the EU coast is completely naked and anyone with a boat can fuck their infrastructure up. You can tell the EU knows this story is bullshit because they're not doing huge investigations into security. Libs still buy it though.

[-] VILenin@hexbear.net 54 points 11 months ago

If the state department told liberals that a unicorn blew up the pipeline, they would believe it

[-] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 39 points 11 months ago

r/cryptids: UNICORNS CONFIRMED (link to state dept press release)

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[-] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 48 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I still think it was really the US and Norway

As a Norwegian I agree 100%

It's the exact sort of shit that the demented old cold-war fossils who run our military would get on board with lol

[-] xi_simping@hexbear.net 89 points 11 months ago

i showed my lib coworker this and they fr did the "concerning, looking into it" meme like thonk

[-] Lovely_sombrero@hexbear.net 64 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Weird, I was expecting a "This proves Ukraine attacked a NATO country, time to invade Ukraine" response!

[-] Tachanka@hexbear.net 53 points 11 months ago

i showed my lib coworker this

how do you have the patience? I gave up on this years ago. it always ends with me "looking crazy"

[-] RedQuestionAsker2@hexbear.net 78 points 11 months ago

To stop telling the truth for fear of looking crazy, this is a nineteenth type of liberalism.

[-] Tachanka@hexbear.net 62 points 11 months ago

fuck, you're right

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 29 points 11 months ago

Frankly I wish i'd been more public and out of pocket with my predictions these last couple years, because I stood to gain a lot of cred when they all came true.

[-] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 29 points 11 months ago

The only one I’ve been wrong about was “Russia isn’t going to invade Ukraine, y’all need to calm down”

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[-] footfaults@hexbear.net 87 points 11 months ago

I don't believe this story. I think it's a limited hangout to cover up the real details of the destruction by US and Norwegians, reported by Seymour Hersh

[-] Lovely_sombrero@hexbear.net 64 points 11 months ago

They will never admit that it was the US, but just moving away from "Russia bombed its own pipeline" is a big deal

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[-] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 80 points 11 months ago

That narrative never made any sense, anyways. Like, how did even the most credulous westerner explain that to themselves?

Ze evil Ruzzian orcs, incapable of logic due to their inferior brainpan: "ah, yes, I shall bomb my own pipeline to force the effeminate Europeans to buy oil and gas from the US, this is sure to lead me to victory."

Like, what's the framing there? That Russia blew up its own pipeline to get people to be mad at Ukraine for cutting off their energy supply somehow? And then the only spin at all was that they just had a single journalist who nobody knows by name and hasn't been relevant for 20 years post about it on a website nobody's heard of behind a paywall?

[-] Kaplya@hexbear.net 41 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Mark Ames logic: I am very smart, I tell you Putin will never invade Ukraine -> but… Putin invaded Ukraine!! -> Since I am very smart, Putin must be stupid to invade Ukraine -> since Putin is stupid, he is probably stupid enough to blow up his own pipeline

It took Seymour Hersh to get on RWN for him to shut up about this completely stupid argument of his.

[-] MarxGuns@hexbear.net 38 points 11 months ago

Ze evil Ruzzian orcs, incapable of logic due to their inferior brainpan: "ah, yes, I shall bomb my own pipeline to force the effeminate Europeans to buy oil and gas from the US, this is sure to lead me to victory."

I can hear Yugopnik doing his 'ze evil Russian orc' voice in this whole sentence.

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[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 76 points 11 months ago

The current US Secretary of State literally wrote a book about blowing up Russian gas pipelines. There was always only one suspect here.

[-] WayeeCool@hexbear.net 37 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Also wouldn't be the first time the US blew up a Russian undersea pipeline. Has been happening since the Soviet era and at this point is a tradition.

[-] Vingst@hexbear.net 72 points 11 months ago

I don't buy it. 6 schmucks just rent a sailboat and some deep sea diving equipment? It's a scapegoat. The only country both capable and incentivized to pull it off is the US. US officials and Biden have said many times they would destroy it. They just can't be seen as responsible for directly attacking Russia and Europe.

[-] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 37 points 11 months ago

It's ridiculous on its face

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 66 points 11 months ago

This is diversionary propaganda in my opinion. The goal is to hand over blame of the attack to Ukraine so it doesn't harm the US in diplomacy with Europe and Germany going forwards.

Oh and we're supposed to believe that Ukraine can pull this off but not be able to get the Crimean Bridge?

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[-] sourquincelog@hexbear.net 61 points 11 months ago

Didn't Biden slip up and kinda admit it at one point?

[-] Kaplya@hexbear.net 82 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Don’t have the video link with me, but 3 weeks before Russia invaded, Biden said “if Russia invades, then we will put an end to Nord Stream”, a reporter then asked “how exactly?” and he said “I assure you we’ll be able to do it.”

[-] Maoo@hexbear.net 51 points 11 months ago

Yes he threatened it before it happened

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 46 points 11 months ago

He did, before they bombed the pipeline even.

[-] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 57 points 11 months ago

Even this would be an act of war against most of Europe

[-] VILenin@hexbear.net 39 points 11 months ago

European vassals know better than to question the infinite wisdom of their American masters

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[-] zephyreks@hexbear.net 57 points 11 months ago

Clear bullshit, right?

If Ukraine could pull this off, I could pull this off. I refuse to believe that international infrastructure could be so vulnerable.

[-] WayeeCool@hexbear.net 38 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Won't know until in a few decades it all gets declassified but my bet was always a US Navy Special Warfare team, aka SEAL team. That is who the US uses for such operations. Previous week there had been US Navy units doing exercises in the general area. The level of hostility, type of aggressive narrative control, and how key US outlets were already standing ready to suppress certain details made it suspicious from the start.

The US uses the same playbook again and again, makes people suspicious even when the US might not have been involved in events.

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[-] Flinch@hexbear.net 55 points 11 months ago
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[-] SexUnderSocialism@hexbear.net 27 points 11 months ago

They're really pushing for that Punished Zelensky arc, aren't they? zelensky-pain To be a friend of the West...

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[-] edge@hexbear.net 26 points 11 months ago
[-] usernamesaredifficul@hexbear.net 25 points 11 months ago

bullshit the Ukrainian military couldn't coordinate a herd of sheep

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