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submitted 11 months ago by stopthatgirl7@kbin.social to c/news@lemmy.world

The FBI previously said the Nov. 20 shooting may have been at least partly inspired by violent, racist ideology based on evidence collected.

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[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 71 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It's always the same. There is a vast web of right wing extremists all linked together but we continue to treat them like lone gunmen. They're all linked. They're all reading the same books, on the same message boards, going to the same gun shows, etc...

Every year more and more lives are lost because we refuse to treat these people as the terrorists they are.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

There was this "edgy" magazine I used to read that ran a letters from prison section from rightwing guys caught by the FBI before they did it. What I noticed about them is they always seemed to get on the radar by attending a meeting. Always shocked me because what are the odds the FBI doesn't routinely record and identify every single person showing up to those?

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Pretty good odds actually.

[-] Evrala@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

A former coworker of mine went on a rant about how amazing the novel The Turner Diaries is, white early 20s guy. Scary stuff.

He also once told me and another woman how women shouldn't be in management positions because it goes to their head...

Yeah, went up to two women and proceeded to rant about how women shouldn't be allowed in positions of authority, expecting us to agree?

[-] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago

That's absolutely terrifying.

[-] ClydapusGotwald@lemmy.world 41 points 11 months ago

Not really a shocker for any Americans shooting at this point.

[-] BruceTwarzen@kbin.social 39 points 11 months ago

Clearly a trans antifa in disguise

[-] Uglyhead@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

They always plant Nazi things and the like, and a copy of Catcher In The Rye, then go in and change all the online stuff, planting all sorts of Far Right stuff and backdating it all.

/s

[-] kool_newt@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago

So clever these transeses.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago

How about The Art of the Deal? We never hear if they found The Art of the Deal.

[-] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It's almost like reading Nazi propaganda makes you radicalized and want to kill minorities. Huh. America should do something about that.

[-] farcaster@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It's impossible to control people's thoughts. There's unfortunately always going to be people like this who become radicalized to the point of insanity.

There must be something else special about the US, compared to most countries, why here so often these radicalized people grab their rifle, walk into a public place, and start shooting.

I can't quite figure it out.

[-] Mr_Blott@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Oh come on, it's not like they have easy access to guns, and no repercussions from violent hate-speech.

That would be a truly horrible combination of things, unless you enjoyed living like it was 300 years ago

[-] SheeEttin@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Impossible to totally control, yes, but very possible to strongly influence. That's how radicalization happens in the first place.

[-] Custoslibera@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

No, they said it was impossible so that’s the end of it. Nothing we can do! /s

[-] kool_newt@lemm.ee 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I claim that banning Fox News (and others devoted to blaming social ills on minorities) would do 10x as much to solve our gun problem than any attempts at banning guns. And it would be far more practical and could be done with far less collateral damage.

[-] JustZ@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

You're on to something here. Just the modern vision of the "Second Amendment" which these people have contributes to so much gun violence.

Every other day I hear about people shot because the shooter though their car was being broken into, or that the victim was trespassing. Hello, dumbfucks? There is no state in America where you can kill someone to prevent trespassing or larceny and noone would like it if there were.

They think all of America was like some parts of the unincorporated, lawless west, where people really did open carry all the time. Meanwhile, there are numerous examples from the incorporated states and judicial districts of people being charged for open carrying without a valid reason; i.e., "I am out hunting," "I am a banker," I am a policeman," "I am a soldier," "I am a common carrier for hire," "I am transporting cargo that is free on board to the destination," "John Smith is after me for what I done to his sister," etc. If you open carried otherwise, it was a lawless shithole where nobody did legitimate business or it was a breach of peace. Respectable establishments would throw you out.

A lot of this fantastic romanticization is traceable to conservative media, which pushes this false imagery, literally so that regular people don't stop killing each other.

[-] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 11 months ago

They forget that many of the old western towns had pretty strict rules about checking your guns with the sheriff and they'd come at you guns drawn to ensure your compliance

[-] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago

Exactly. They had armed bandits back then, they knew what was up.

[-] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago

They think all of America was like some parts of the unincorporated, lawless west, where people really did open carry all the time.

Pretty much every town in the Old West with more than a dozen people had gun control. No "open carry" bullshit. You had to leave your gun with the sheriff when you entered town. Or you would be arrested / fined / whatever.

These are people who knew exactly what guns were and how to use them as tools. There's zero reason to walk around town with a gun, unless you want to shoot someone. Outside of town: go nuts.

[-] cmbabul@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

It’s not a guarantee, but it’s a really safe bet

[-] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

I'm guessing that won't be a point of interest on Fox "News."

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Back on reddit I had tracked politically-motivated homicides (pretty close to all being right-wing) in a big write-up but I ran out of word count space and lost track of the sheer volume of shootings...

[-] Illuminostro@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Unpossible. BLaMtifa planted that stuff. 'Murica.

/s

[-] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago

Some of those that work forces Are the same that burn crosses

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

This doesn't really apply to this article at all, as this person didn't "work forces"

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