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After approving blessings for same-sex couples, Pope asks Vatican staff to avoid 'rigid ideologies' (www.independent.co.uk)

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Pope Francis has urged Vatican bureaucrats to avoid “rigid ideological positions” that prevent them from understanding today’s reality

Pope Francis urged Vatican bureaucrats Thursday to avoid “rigid ideological positions” that prevent them from understanding today’s reality, an appeal made days after he formally allowed priests to bless same-sex couples in a radical change of Vatican policy.

Francis used his annual Christmas greeting to the Holy See hierarchy to encourage the cardinals, bishops and laypeople who run the Vatican to listen to one another and to others so they can evolve to truly offer service to the Catholic Church.

Speaking in the Hall of Blessings, Francis told them it was important to keep advancing and growing in their understanding of the truth. Fearfully sticking to rules may give the appearance of avoiding problems but only ends up hurting the service that the Vatican Curia is called to give the church, he said.

“Let us remain vigilant against rigid ideological positions that often, under the guise of good intentions, separate us from reality and prevent us from moving forward,"the pope said. "We are called instead to set out and journey, like the Magi, following the light that always desires to lead us on, at times along unexplored paths and new roads.”

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[-] Crow@lemmy.world 59 points 10 months ago

Is this man actually trying to get into heaven or something?

[-] linearchaos@lemmy.world 31 points 10 months ago

I hate the religion, I hate that there's even a pope. But this guy, He's the fucking best.

[-] evranch@lemmy.ca 11 points 10 months ago

Honestly as Christianity goes the Catholics are fucking moderates these days. Which really is saying something.

Also the Pope has like, the world's best hat.

We're a non-religious, casually Christian affiliated family and we're seriously thinking of sending our daughter to a Catholic school just for the far higher quality of education. (No concerning priests or nuns btw, these are government run schools)

I never would have even considered it as an option 10 years ago. But they really do seem to have their shit together, terrible acts in the past notwithstanding

[-] Godric@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

I grew up catholic, and personally don't know many who could be described as a moderate. 90% of the catholics I know dislike the current pope intensely for his liberal views, so be wary

[-] linearchaos@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

I don't pretend to know where you are time vs money. And it could be that private school is your best option. I'm also assuming that you're in the US but that may not be the case. And what you can throw away everything I'm saying here because I know public and private schools in Europe and many other places are entirely different.

I did private for a few years. The only substantial difference for me was that the private teachers would make sure you do your homework and punish you if you don't.

YMMV, but I will have to say that probably 40% of those kids in my private school were Grade-A assholes. Zero compassion, every little thing was a do or die competition. The teacher would do the best she could to control social situations but, there's only so much she can do. She's not going to fight the other parents for you by kicking little Jimmy out for being a jerk. They bring the two sets of parents together and that's about the point where you find out why Little Jimmy is the way he is.

The state schools are being pressured pretty hard for testing scores, so it's not so much that they don't want to teach your kids or can't teach your kids, but they're underfunded and overworked and are going to pick the ones that are easiest to teach to raise that number.

But you can probably get the same outcome from using public school and pulling in a tutor after say middle school. Your school might even provide tutelage, but you're probably going to have to realize that it needs to happen and ask them for it.

If you have some time, even just getting marginally involved in your kids education you can pull off approximately what the private schools do. Order the common core teacher manuals that your schools use, once a week go over the same things they did in school. Tell your public teachers you want to get on the same page as them they'd probably be delighted no matter how useless the seem.

Again if you've got excess cash, The private schools will absolutely get the job done. Just do some due diligence, find some families locally that take their kids there start asking them particular questions that would suit your kids well.

Anything before around 10th grade, just make sure that they're keeping up grades and knowledge in algebra, calculus, trig, science and english.

All those high school grades and scores are honestly trash as long as they get into the college they want.

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[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It's like he doesn't even know what being a Christian is about!

Hate and judgemental behavior.

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[-] foggy@lemmy.world 53 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Pope Francis says to avoid Rigid Ideologies?

So, pope Francis says to avoid Catholicism.

In the name of the father, the son, and the holy Spirit. Amen.

[-] aeronmelon@lemm.ee 23 points 10 months ago

A part of me thinks he knows what he's doing.

[-] prole@sh.itjust.works 33 points 10 months ago

Are we gonna end up with an anti-pope?

I really don't know, I just know the term and it sounds cool.

[-] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago

Honestly it's possible. Certain diocese of the church (looking at you USA) have become far more conservative as the rest of the Church has passed them by. Vatican 2 has fully taken hold, and I really don't believe the conservatives hold enough power in Rome to elect one of their own when Francis passes.

They very well might just take their ball and go home like the "Old Catholics" did after the reforms of the First Vatican Council.

[-] RIPandTERROR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 10 months ago

GAY POPE GAY POPE GAY POPE

PLS 😭🙏

[-] Siegfried@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Im afraid, he is giving strong hetero vibes with this...

heterodox vibes

[-] Lamedonyx@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I mean, there are already plenty, for example, Peter III, who leads a Spanish church that believes they are the rightful Church. (Also, antipope is a subjective word, like heretic. From the perspective of various sects, the Pope Francis is the antipope.)

Nothing stops you from calling yourself Pope and claiming you're the rightful leader of the Church, hereby making you an antipope to the eyes of the Church.

Now is there going to be a relevant antipope, that's a lot less likely.

The relevancy of antipopes hinged on the political power of the pope. Having the pope at your beck and call was an extremely powerful tool in the Middle Ages. But nowadays, between the secularization of most Catholic countries, and the massive loss of influence of the Catholic Church, an antipope would only have as much influence as his followers would give him, especially since they wouldn't have the support of the Holy See or the Church.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Still I think if you are an anti-pope you kinda know it. You aren't in the Vatican and people aren't drooling on your ring.

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[-] chitak166@lemmy.world 32 points 10 months ago

How do you be gay and catholic?

[-] e-ratic@kbin.social 31 points 10 months ago

Same reason how you can be a woman and a catholic: Indoctrination

[-] Pacmanlives@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago

It’s not gay if it’s a young boy duh! /s

This is actually a huge issue though on accepting the LGBTQ+ community at large and getting them in at least here in the United States. A lot of other religions have started to and I have gay and trans friends that go to these churches because they accept them for who they are and don’t try to shame them or try to change them

[-] flooppoolf@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Church always has at least one extremely obviously gay dude serving. My interpretation of that stereotype is that usually that gay dude has the fear of god and his daddies belt instilled into them. Not a cute look. This usually prevents dates from being in public and reduces the whole situation into hidden meetings and idk, I wish them the best and to eventually see out of the church.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Short answer is: You just be gay and also Catholic.

In most Catholic churches, no one is going to care that I bang dudes any more than they care that I show up on Christmas and Easter.

They care significantly more if you say "Thanks!" when receiving communion than they do that you're gay.

Catholics aren't Evangelicals and they care about radically different things.

[-] Liome@pawb.social 29 points 10 months ago

“Let us remain vigilant against rigid ideological positions that often, under the guise of good intentions, separate us from reality and prevent us from moving forward"

Never expected pope to diss christianity.

[-] victron@programming.dev 9 points 10 months ago

(Former christian) this whole Pope business has been sooo interesting. And I mean it in a non-ironic way.

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[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

Can he avoid fucking with the US Supreme Court and stopping his legions of priests from fucking small children?

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[-] Soleos@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

It's official, the Pope identifies as ideofluid

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[-] Zozano@aussie.zone 8 points 10 months ago

What is even the point of religion now? They profess to be a moral compass, but when they catch-up with the times, half of their followers cry "traitor!".

[-] arken@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Well, the main "point" of religion was never to be anyone's "moral compass".

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[-] PeckerBrown@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Too bad choir boys can't dodge rigid idealogues.

[-] Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website 7 points 10 months ago

Recently heard a catholic who once tried to tell me that everything the pope does is ordained by God, and therefore "good", go on a tangent about how the pope is now corrupted by Satan and "needs to be taken care of" with the clear intention that someone should murder the pope over his "not as negative as it used to be" view of lgbtq.

Weird how their priorities used to be "God church family country" back then and all it took was a little taste of fascism to turn them To "my chosen human replacement for Jesus, the group of people who look and vote the way I do, THEN maybe church, family mixed in there too if they look and vote the same way I do"

[-] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago

lol. His entire life is dogma; his position, home, city, and organization are a rigid and non critical exercise.

[-] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

May this be the beginning of the end of this fucking cult.

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[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Nothing is real anymore

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[-] TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 10 months ago

Sort of like Christianity?

[-] joeyv120@ttrpg.network 5 points 10 months ago

Jesus Christ.

[-] Imabirdlol@lemmy.today 2 points 10 months ago

Vgh

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago

Seems a little too late to try and pivot and get young parishioners back. They gone, people don't go back to their old religion.

[-] Vlyn@lemmy.zip 4 points 10 months ago

This isn't an actual step forward, just a ploy to keep religion going for as long as possible.

It's obviously all a lie, they just keep softening their policies to stay relevant in modern times. Imagine if they stuck to their old believes from a few hundred years ago or actually followed the bible, they'd become irrelevant in just one generation.

So instead they adapt to keep their power.

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[-] antidote101@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

It's good for the soul to avoid rigid ideologies... Perhaps all ideologies.

[-] irmoz@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

That is a highly ideological thing to say.

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