Slavery isn't needed anymore, and no one is really free anyway. You can't opt out of the system.

If a US worker is worth $100K for a position, don't pay an Indian worker $20k-$40k for the same fucking work! They have the same value, they're not worth different things because they're in a different fucking geographic location!

So that just means they are going to pay US workers $20k-$40k and be ok if there are few US workers.

The companies will claim it’s the cost of living difference or they are unable to find an American worker.

If they’re doing work of an American. They need to be paid like an American.

Also h1b should be eliminated. H1b are abusive.

If they can’t find an American then they’re paying shit.

Denmark comes up often because McDonald’s workers make a decent wage. Denmark also does not have a minimum wage but wages bargain for as an industry. I wouldn’t mind that system in America.

I’m paid very well but I wouldn’t mind all IT workers must make at least X. It would end those stupid jobs ads where they want 10 years of experience, a masters degree, expertise in 10 specific technologies and want to pay 15 an hour.

So, I work at Amazon, and that comment is very misleading.

Amazon obviously pay less outside of the US, but one of the core reasons they hire in the US, Canada, and India is because there are far fewer protections for worker's rights. It's absolutely not about cost, because otherwise they would probably also increase roles across Europe. In the UK, you'd be very lucky to find a role compared to most smaller US locations, and many people believe it's because it's been far harder to lay people off. The same goes for locations across France, Spain, and Germany. Big tech in general is downsizing across Europe.

I also 100% call bullshit on the remote point. Everyone is back 3 days a week, worldwide. If anything, the rules in India regarding RTO are far harsher than anywhere else.

US software engineers get paid far better than us outside of the US, but if Amazon truly cared about cost, they would've moved lots of roles away years ago.

... Amazon ... in Sweden since they’re particularly garbage and don’t really offer anything of value.

I don't know if Amazon is uniquely crap here in Sweden or if they're the same everywhere - if the latter, I wonder how they grew to such a size because they are shadier than AliExpress and Wish.

When they launched, they used the Argentinian flag to represent Sweden. Three horizontal stripes, light blue, with a white middle stripe that has a smiling sun on it. The Swedish flag is an off-blue with a yellow cross. Sweden starts with an S, Argentina starts with an A. I've legit no idea how they did this mix-up.

All the products are machine translated. I've seen cookware with 300 metre long cables and the ability to send internal emails. I've seen curtains depicting people frolicking in sexual assault. Tents that make for great gifts for a prostitute, grandchild, or little sister. Sluts for your yard. Spotlights for indoors commercial sexual intercourse. Lots of fucking-* products, fucking egg productions, fucking vacationdogs, fucking spoons, fucking mushrooms, fucking penis curry, fucking bovine poop in red wine sauce.

Needless to say, I do not have Amazon prime, nor do I buy anything from Amazon when we have much better and more reliable local alternatives that I know conform to Swedish and European regulation and legislation, and will have my back should whatever I buy end up being faulty. I can't say the same for Amazon.

...which always manifests itself as causing material harm to the working class, to the non capital owners.

The logic of for profit businesses, especially in the American legal framework, is known to reward the most ruthless with the positions of the most power in the company, and this gets dramatically amplified the more money is at stake.

And these people, empirically and historically, as well as theoretically from a psychological and basics of running a business / economics standpoint...

They will always lay people off and go through a restructuring phase to focus on the fundamentals. These days the CEO and VPs do not even take meaningful, if any, pay cuts. There are some counter examples to this in some other countries where cultural norms are vastly different, but in America, in the last decade in particular? It's basically always the owner capital class extracting wealth from the workers and then shedding them off when its time to.

And I say that that constitutes harm. And is thus hateful.

Time and time again we see all sorts of for profit businesses laying off workers, overworking them, underpaying them, micromanaging their non work lives, trying to instill a culture that they are their job, that there is no real non work life, cutting corners of all kinds that result in consumers overpaying for flawed products or services... etc etc.

I suppose you can take the philosophical angle that the system itself is amoral, mechanicistically speaking.

But I would argue two points:

1. A vast and all encompassing system should be looked at both mechanistically, internally, as well as externally, or in totality.

It doesnt matter what the inner mechanisms of a system are if they continuously and predictably cause massive harm to many people in many ways, some that are direct and obvious, and others that are indirect, less obvious and more gradual.

2. There are human beings, people, that make the decisions to lay people off, to cut safety corners, to price hike, to lie to the media and consumers. And there are people who suffer from all this. When a person does something that harms another, I call that malice, ill will, hate or cruelty, especially on the scale and of the scope that so often happens in large for profit enterprises. They are moral actors regardless of what their excuses are, harming other human beings with a capacity to feel and think and have emotions.

In its grand totality, the system uses and abuses the many, and benefits the few.

Whats worse is that its logic has now fundamentally overriden any possible communal species wide survival mechanism as it has now warmed the Earth beyond the tipping point of being able to stop climate change, ensuring even more harm.