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submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by Nakoichi@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

I wish this was a joke lol it's all in fun but this is the funniest struggle session of all time.

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[-] Leon_Grotsky@hexbear.net 116 points 10 months ago

Hot take: There is no point in smoking olive oil, shit wont even get you high... go buy hash oil like a normal person!

Gamers, I swear

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 62 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Filling my bong with olive oil instead of water just because I like the taste.

Actually now I kinda want to try this. For science you know.

[-] john_browns_beard@hexbear.net 65 points 10 months ago

Hate to be the bearer of bad news but THC is oil-soluble so you'd just be inhaling gross, olive oil flavored smoke that doesn't get you as high as water.

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 58 points 10 months ago

Based and de-electrochemistry pilled

[-] YearOfTheCommieDesktop@hexbear.net 38 points 10 months ago

well then you use it in dishes after and it gets you high then

[-] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 34 points 10 months ago

I don't think olive oil would get your dishes very clean

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[-] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 22 points 10 months ago

That would make for a funny prank tho

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[-] Leon_Grotsky@hexbear.net 28 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

getting accused of bogarting as you juggle the thing through the air like you're trying to grab a wet bar of soap

E) IRT your edit: in our dumber years we used to do goofy shit like fill it with Root Beer and stuff like that. Honestly disappointing, you're trading off a weird hit for taking twice as long to clean out your glassware.

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 23 points 10 months ago

Yeah lol I been there. Like I said though we did it for science.

[-] LeylaLove@hexbear.net 97 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It's so fucking funny because if these people knew as much about culinary as they claim to know, they know there are many dishes that are in fact fried in olive oil. The smoke point discussion is pop science going too far in food. Kenji did an article about this. If these dumbass food nerds spent more time reading and actually cooking rather than arguing with people online, they would know how shit actually performs and how to actually cook. But instead we have a bunch of people who nerded the fuck out when The Menu came out, without realizing that they are Tyler, not the Chef.

So yeah, fry things in olive oil if you want them to taste like olive oil. Don't use olive oil if you don't want it to taste like olive oil shrug-outta-hecks

Edit: Adding this because I think some of you fuckin libs need a theory lesson

Mao in Oppose Book Worship

I. NO INVESTIGATION, NO RIGHT TO SPEAK

Unless you have investigated a problem, you will be deprived of the right to speak on it. Isn't that too harsh? Not in the least. When you have not probed into a problem, into the present facts and its past history, and know nothing of its essentials, whatever you say about it will undoubtedly be nonsense. Talking nonsense solves no problems, as everyone knows, so why is it unjust to deprive you of the right to speak? Quite a few comrades always keep their eyes shut and talk nonsense, and for a Communist that is disgraceful. How can a Communist keep his eyes shut and talk nonsense?

It won' t do!

It won't do!

You must investigate!

You must not talk nonsense!

...

III. OPPOSE BOOK WORSHIP

Whatever is written in a book is right — such is still the mentality of culturally backward Chinese peasants. Strangely enough, within the Communist Party there are also people who always say in a discussion, "Show me where it's written in the book." When we say that a directive of a higher organ of leadership is correct, that is not just because it comes from "a higher organ of leadership" but because its contents conform with both the objective and subjective circumstances of the struggle and meet its requirements. It is quite wrong to take a formalistic attitude and blindly carry out directives without discussing and examining them in the light of actual conditions simply because they come from a higher organ. It is the mischief done by this formalism which explains why the line and tactics of the Party do not take deeper root among the masses. To carry out a directive of a higher organ blindly, and seemingly without any disagreement, is not really to carry it out but is the most artful way of opposing or sabotaging it.

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 80 points 10 months ago

Lmao makes a shitpost about cooking oil gets a Mao quote I love you guys

[-] LeylaLove@hexbear.net 90 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Olive oil being a struggle session is just so frustrating to me. As someone who has a deep love for food and cooking, it hurts quite a bit to see how the internet has pretty much re-birthed cooking snobbery in this entirely new way. I am an exceptionally knowledgeable cook, having worked in a million different types of places and even fully running a place for a little bit, lots of research into food science and such. I like the nerdy side of cooking that the internet has brought out, but the snobbery of olive oil's smoke point is a great example of when it starts just getting into re-establishing french style elitism based on racism and classism that has kept the true heroes of culinary history out of the public eye. Most of the great dishes we have, some of the smartest food practices around today, were made by illiterate, uneducated slaves and workers, and those people broke a ton of culinary "rules". Modern internet cooks stand on the shoulders of giants and spit on them. The guy who invented modern barbecue ribs was an illiterate slave making food for his owner, where his owner took credit for everything he did. It wasn'

One of the first widespread foods that had a sauce purposefully stabilized was creole Gumbo, which used okra, a veggie brought over from Africa. The only people who had okra at the time were black people brought to America via the slave trade. However, people like to credit the french with sauce stabilization through rouxs because the french could put it on paper and the slaves couldn't. It's why we see white people essentially try to claim Creole food by making some changes and calling it cajun, and they do it by legitimizing and de-legitimizing certain techniques.

Or how historically, Central America uses very little oil in their cooking, preferring the flavor of char over a maillard reaction done with oil. Now the delicious food of Central America is being lost over time because cooks are listening to these online people and replacing unique flavor elements from their cultures with french cooking practice. THAT is why white people can't make tacos, it's literally because they're cooking like white people and have had "cook everything in oil" drilled into them from the start of their cooking. It would be one thing if food was just changing with the times, people having different palettes, but that's not the case, otherwise those gentrified white people taco shops would be a hit amongst Hispanic people.

I see the whole olive oil debate, and similar discussions as a way to dismiss cooks with unique techniques and their food. People saying you can't fry in olive oil are implicitly saying that pretty much the entire middle east and medeterranian were just burning absolutely everything they cooked until white people made canola oil. It's re-establishing elitist cooking standards with bad information. So everybody's food is becoming more and more tasteless, more Americanized, switching to more neutral oils, all in the name of "not burning" something that isn't even actually burning. It's annoying.

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[-] LeylaLove@hexbear.net 26 points 10 months ago

I do a lot of foodposting on my account. Like Mao said, talk on things that you're well educated on and you'll never make an ass of yourself. Nobody will argue with me over olive oil frying because there's very little to challenge on well informed takes built from empirically testing books and experiencing things first hand. I'm very well educated on food, and can write at length about history, techniques, and unique flavors I've gotten to try.

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[-] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 39 points 10 months ago

order-of-lenin

Longtime cook who knows what the hell I'm doing here as well. And you said it perfectly. Having to explain at work that the marinated sundried tomato mix I made for pizzas were supposed to char in the oven just today was a fucking battle. That's still in the white boy domain, but unless it's meat doing any kinda charring or searing is just making burnt food to many

[-] KiraChats@hexbear.net 20 points 10 months ago

this comment rules

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[-] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 32 points 10 months ago

Guy with a pacojet: Actually, you can tell the difference between vegetable oil blended with corn oil and straight corn oil when you use it to cook deconstructed apple fritters with a miso-chipotle glazesmuglord

[-] LeylaLove@hexbear.net 23 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

God I hate Pacojet people. I have a Pacojet, you know what it's called? Freezing my robocoupe blade.

Pacojet texture is pretty fucking cool, it really does get finer than pretty much anything else. However, it's pretty much a gimmick for anything except for making ice cream.

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[-] 2Password2Remember@hexbear.net 69 points 10 months ago

hexbear gaming discord

haram

Death to America

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[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 65 points 10 months ago

Cover your car batteries in olive oil before you throw them into the ocean.

[-] Mindfury@hexbear.net 40 points 10 months ago

slather your cat in olive oil before letting them outside

[-] PointAndClique@hexbear.net 27 points 10 months ago

drizzle your river rocks in oil before stacking them (adds challenge)

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[-] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 60 points 10 months ago
[-] voight@hexbear.net 22 points 10 months ago

My phone number is banned from both. Pedophiles and Nazis, however, are welcome!

[-] voight@hexbear.net 20 points 10 months ago

It somehow manages to be worse than Telegram

[-] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 24 points 10 months ago

Yeah. It's a real shame people here use it, considering how a fair number of us have our Matrix linked to our Hexbear account.

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[-] Zoift@hexbear.net 46 points 10 months ago

Olive Oyl was always a smokeshow

[-] DengistDonnieDarko@hexbear.net 40 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Had a roommate who tried to deep fry chicken with olive oil. I came home and opened the door and he's just chilling in the kitchen with a pot on the stove, smoke absolutely billowing out of the pot like a cartoon. Kitchen was greasy for months.

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[-] LENINSGHOSTFACEKILLA@hexbear.net 39 points 10 months ago

i'm gonna ban everyone in here its so stupid

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[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 37 points 10 months ago

Olive oil has a lower smoke point then other oils and should not be used to deep fry anything. It's just a waste of good olive oil, even if you deep fry below the smoke point temperature. The actual temperature number doesn't matter much, it's just a crude measurement of when the oil starts visibly smoking, and varies between different grades of olive oil, the usage of the oil is what matters.

[-] rootsbreadandmakka@hexbear.net 32 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

smoke point has very little correlation with when the oils start breaking down, which is the thing people are actually worried about. Extra virgin olive oil is one of the most stable oils at high heat despite the lower smoke point. It shouldn't be used to deep fry anything, but if someone is worried about oil smoke points and carcinogens from eating heated oil, then they really shouldn't be eating fried food at all in the first place.

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 23 points 10 months ago

Yeah that's what I mean with regards to smoke point being a crude measurement. It doesn't tell you much, except that the oil begins smoking at that temperature.

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[-] DefinitelyNotAPhone@hexbear.net 28 points 10 months ago

If you're deep frying anything in olive oil, you fucked up long ago and are now in the finding out phase.

Source: southerner. Use canola or vegetable oil when deep frying your entire meal, kiddos.

[-] YearOfTheCommieDesktop@hexbear.net 27 points 10 months ago

or to pop popcorn, ask me how I know

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 28 points 10 months ago

Lmao. I can imagine the flavour it imparted to the popcorn if it got it to pop

[-] YearOfTheCommieDesktop@hexbear.net 26 points 10 months ago

instead, imagine a 3 foot tower of flame

I was a dumb child

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[-] macerated_baby_presidents@hexbear.net 36 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Why does this even matter. Extra virgin olive oil is way too fucking expensive to deep fry with even if I wanted to smoke out my kitchen and eat olive oil flavored chimichangas. Whole debate is bikeshedding for people with nice kitchens in their suburban homes and nothing else to do except pontificate about how seed oils are going to make you trans. Including Kenji, who in a just world would be court-enjoined from publishing links to EVOO deep frying fume analyses until the price falls below $0.30 per fluid ounce. And I thought I was living like a king, upgrading from canola to soybean.

While I'm at it let me take this moment to further complain about the absolutely piss-poor state of American rental stock kitchens. I have NEVER lived in an apartment that had an actual exhaust venting to building exterior, only those bullshit filters underneath a rangetop microwave. Everything gets coated in gummy dust from the aerosols that are recirculated and you can watch a CO2 meter climb to the maximum reading as the oven warms up. If you want to char anything you need to pull down the smoke detector - god help you in a big apartment building where they're hardwired and all you can do is poke the button once it's already started beeping. All of this is academic. Go fry something

[-] LeylaLove@hexbear.net 30 points 10 months ago

You see olive oil frying used for very specific foods, and they make pretty big differences when people actually go for it. I typically fry in peanut or corn oil at home, it's the cheapest where I live and has the best flavor. However, something like Italian artichoke hearts, or Greek "beneigts" (or whatever they call them) the olive oil is a night and day difference. Idk, it's a practice more for restaurants than anything. Most people aren't discerning enough to know when an olive oil fry is worth it, because it is very rare.

Also, Kenji does food science for restaurants. When we're talking about frying things and don't care about creating smoke, it's because we're in professional kitchens with good ventilation, and are charging people out the ass for a plate so we have to make sure shit is REALLY good so our restaurants don't become part of the 90 percent. There is nothing wrong with him answering a question, and dunking on the suburban food snobs you don't like. It's not that we should be frying things in olive oil, anybody can tell you that's too expensive to be worth it. It's about not deligitimizing cooking processes for a reason that isn't even true. You have any idea how many times some rich fuck I was a private cook for tried to not pay for their food because "you can't fry in olive oil because it burns the oil" like they weren't happily using said "burnt" olive oil to eat 2 loaves of bread. It's about not letting people be armchair experts on subject matters they don't understand

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[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 33 points 10 months ago

"gaming discord"???? Are y'all having offscreen adventures without me?

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[-] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Fuck is we tryna smoke olive oil for /j

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[-] rootsbreadandmakka@hexbear.net 23 points 10 months ago

hexbear having a struggle session over carnist talking points, you hate to see it.

[-] voight@hexbear.net 33 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Lmao seed oil discourse is amazing bc these guys are talking like everyone is getting free HRT or they can't digest protein meanwhile their strongest soldiers are turning beet red and vlogging how they visibly aged themselves a year every month

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[-] SovietWaveGoddess@hexbear.net 20 points 10 months ago

God you have begun another fucking struggle session fucking hell why

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