Oh wtf this was one of the drugs people used to poison themselves with? I was prescribed this a month ago because the rheumatologist told me is the safest drug for auto immune issues although I still need to take mehtylprednisolone every few months due to spinal inflammation that messes with nerves.
Don't worry, a key part of toxicity is the dosage. If you're following a prescription from an actual doctor instead of taking handfuls of horse medication at the behest of extremist politicians you're fine.
I followed my doctors advice (400mg daily for 15 years) and got retinol toxicity anyway. Now I have permanent damage to my macular, can’t take hydroxychloroquine anymore and my lupus is raging. It’s a fantastic drug, and blindness is a very very rare side effect, but for god’s sake insist on being monitored by an ophthalmologist. Current UK recommendations are an eye check before starting the medication, repeated after 5 years and then every year after that. I should have been checked 10 times in 15 years, I was checked twice.
It's great if it's used to treat what it was meant to, people started taking it because a few doctors mentioned it might help with COVID without having any proof it did.
The hazards here were related to passing around doses, improper prescriptions from disreputable doctors, and not seeking out actual treatments for covid. If you have certain conditions and medications there can be side effects and interactions that harm health, but that your doctor should have considered. Some people who really needed hydroxychloroquine for legitimate uses like yours had trouble getting it because of shortages due to morons rushing out to get it.
Just like Ivermectin, it has a legitimate use. But snakeoil salesmen peddled both of them as off label Covid miracle cures with zero medical trials, or even an attempt to begin one.
Take the recommended dose and you'll be fine, just don't go over because it's easy to OD with.
You might also go blind, but that's a future you problem
Remember these chuckleheads believe the vaccine is poison and you gotta be careful and they put this stuff into themselves. Apparently research is listening to Joe's podcast.
Anybody that takes medical advice from Joe Rogan deserves whatever malady or health problem they get. Literal leopardsatemyface…
"What do you have to lose?"
Umm. Their lives, apparently? Such an irresponsible statement.
Natural Selection
Generally yes, but there's cases where parents gave this shit to their kids too.
I think you're confusing this and Ivermectin. Hydroxychloroquine (as far as I know) is prescription only. Ivermectin is too technically but you can get the "livestock" version at a TSC or similar store. Which says a lot about the "not sheep" crowd taking medicine literally used for livestock.
people got Hydroxychloroquine by unauthorized means too
And some people with authorized means couldn't get it because of the idiots
Technically, that still serves to remove their genes from the pool.
That figure stems from a study published in the Nature scientific journal in 2021 which reported an 11 percent increase in the mortality rate, linked to its prescription against COVID-19, because of the potential adverse effects like heart rhythm disorders, and its use instead of other effective treatments.
So I think what they are reporting is an estimate of people who died of COVID whilst taking this stuff and so did not undertake other forms of treatment.
I don't think they are saying that most of these people died as a direct result of taking the drug. (e.g. overdosing)., despite what the headline suggests.
The amount of people not reading the article or the study is astounding.
This is not about Trump.
This is not about your conservative uncle.
This is not about America only.
This is about off label prescribing in ICU and ERs early in the pandemic with low evidence (theoretical pathways) in six countries which either gave explicit approval or unclear guidance that was interpreted as approval. It goes on to suggest that in a similar emergency future, the state agencies sould do better.
In the absence of restriction, the number of expected HCQ-related deaths is likely to be directly related to the promotion of its prescription by scientists, physicians and health agencies. In February and March 2020, the use of this treatment was widely promoted based on preliminary reports suggesting a potential efficacy against COVID-19 [80]. For instance, the use of HCQ markedly increased from mid-March to mid-April 2020 [81], [82] in France before a temporary recommendation supporting its use by the State Council was rapidly rejected [83]. Similarly, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) granted a temporary emergency use authorisation for HCQ on March 28th 2020, which was finally revoked on June 15th 2020 [84]. In India, HCQ was also prescribed as a curative treatment to patients with COVID-19 and as a prophylactic treatment for front-line workers based on public authority guidance [85]. Conversely, the British government promoted HCQ use only within clinical trials, explaining the absence of cohort studies reporting the use of HCQ in the United Kingdom in the present study [86]. Consistently, a cohort of a multinational network showed a wide variation in the use of HCQ between countries, with 85% in Spain, 14% in the USA and less than 2% in China [80]. The rush to administer this treatment caused supply shortages in community pharmacies, forcing the implementation of dispensing restrictions [82]. Finally, the results of observational studies and randomized trials in May and June 2020, respectively, convincingly demonstrated that HCQ was ineffective and led to an increase in adverse events [4], [5], [12], [66], [73].
But I'm not allowed to add caffeine powder to my yogurt anymore because one idiot died 🙄
Who's stopping you?
FDA banned pure/high concentration caffeine powder because people died from improper measurement. I think you can still find lower concentration caffeine powders.
How much do you need?!? I got some shit called Apex Drive Tiger’s Blood on Amazon, and I can’t even handle a whole scoop in my beverage.
Is it enough to kill two and a half men?
Broken teeth from eating a yougurt with 90% raw coffee beans.
You have to grind the yogurt before adding it to the beans, dumbass. Smdh
Stupid is as stupid does.
Former US President Donald Trump said: ‘What do you have to lose? Take it.’
As a proud and patriotic French, I can't let the murican brag about their (former) President without bragging about our former and current President whom happen to be a very good epidemiologist :
Today his profile rose even higher, as French President Emmanuel Macron traveled to Marseille to meet Raoult, a hospital director and researcher who led the two trials. Macron did not comment after the meeting, but the rendezvous, initiated by Macron, was a clear sign of Raoult's newfound political clout. Jean-Paul Hamon, president of the Federation of Doctors of France, one of many scientists and doctors critical of the meeting, called it "showbiz politics."
A survey released by French polling institute IFOP on 6 April revealed that 59% of the French population believes chloroquine is effective against the new coronavirus. Confidence in the drugs is higher on the far right and far left, and reached 80% among sympathizers of the "yellow vest" movement that staged massive protests against Macron's economic policy in 2018 and 2019. Support is also very high, at 74%, in the Marseille region.
Karine Lacombe, head of infectious diseases at the Saint Antoine Hospital in Paris, has said on French TV that she and her team have received repeated "physical threats" for refusing to prescribe chloroquine; she said she has also seen many falsified prescriptions for the drug. Other doctors have reported similar experiences. The pressure comes on top of the stress caused by shortages of protective equipment, diagnostic tests, and medical staff.
That's more then all Vaccines COMBINED! Don't let our Kids get Vaxxed! Hydrochloroquine them instead!
Reminds me of the parents who left their baby with the grandparents and the grandparents gave the baby ivermectin to 'protect' them from COVID.
Hospital couldn't save the poor kid.
Donald Trump should be charged for those deaths. Sadly, it is unlikely that the families that took his advice would take out a class action. As to his comment about what have you got to lose? The court or any reasonable party simply has to read the patient information leaflet.
Donald Trump should be charged for those deaths.
To be fair, it's not entirely his fault that those individuals made poor choices. Yet, his actions were pretty awful, especially considering that those who passed away probably supported him by voting
It's always an interesting discussion when we raise the question of:
If people who are born with disabilities and intellectual impairments get special treatment, what is the threshold for being so stupid that you can't be considered responsible for your actions (or be expected not to be manipulated or misled)?
There is a strong argument that people who aren't that smart can't really be held accountable for their actions, as its beyond their control.
This was actually an argument used in the criminal defense of some of the capitol rioters lol
I’m going to be that guy to say… The world is better off from it.
Nah, if it was only the stupid doing it to themselves that would be fine, but as someone on the medical field, you have no idea of how many cases I saw of little kids and elderly patients who were fed those pills by their loved ones.
It's astonishing how much aoe dmg stupidity does.
One of my relatives did the same when I tested positive, even writing an rx for me and really pushing it. Never took any and this story makes me even more glad I didn’t listen to the facebook research
Many good people aren't that savvy in all fields and have a peer pressure to try this and that, especially when disinformation is louder than truth. They can have good reasons like not making their fragile elderly ill, and there's a gossiped ultimate cure to that. Can you blame them they choose it? They are a small part of that problem under the towering issue of grifters, fakes, conspiracies running amok.
Yeah. I can blame them. It’s 2024. We are so technology-ladened that a wealth of information is available to anyone with half a brain to look for it. There no excuse for ignorance anymore.
First Death came for dummies. but I didn't care for I'm not one of them.
There are conditions making them so completely misguided, bigoted, stupid. And, in a sense, they'd die off eventually, like we all would. But these profitable institutes of misinformation wouldn't, so there would be even more of them with each gen if you let them thrive.
Individual cells deformed by radiation carry a little weight over body disfunction. You can act like a leicocyte and fight them. But the source of radiation wouldn't go away even if you slay all of them.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Nearly 17,000 people may have died after taking hydroxycholoroquine during the first wave of COVID, according to a study by French researchers.
The anti-malaria drug was prescribed to some patients hospitalized with COVID-19 during the first wave of the pandemic, "despite the absence of evidence documenting its clinical benefits," the researchers point out in their paper, published in the February issue of Biomedicine & Pharmacotherapy.
Now, researchers have estimated that some 16,990 people in six countries — France, Belgium, Italy, Spain, Turkey and the U.S. — may have died as a result.
Researchers from universities in Lyon, France, and Québec, Canada, used that figure to analyze hospitalization data for COVID in each of the six countries, exposure to hydroxychloroquine and the increase in the relative risk of death linked to the drug.
In fact, they say the figure may be far higher given the study only concerns six countries from March to July 2020, when the drug was prescribed much more widely.
Hydroxychloroquine gained prominence partly due to French virologist Didier Raoult who had headed the Méditerranée Infection Foundation hospital, but was later removed amid growing controversy.
The original article contains 260 words, the summary contains 187 words. Saved 28%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!
"COULD HAVE"
I'm so sick of this sort of reporting. Too many "maybe", "might have", "could be". it's just fear mongering.
'Could have' is due to the range of potential estimates. The confidence interval was between 6420–20294 deaths.
A community for discussing events around the World
Rule 1: posts have the following requirements:
Rule 2: Do not copy the entire article into your post. The key points in 1-2 paragraphs is allowed (even encouraged!), but large segments of articles posted in the body will result in the post being removed. If you have to stop and think "Is this fair use?", it probably isn't. Archive links, especially the ones created on link submission, are absolutely allowed but those that avoid paywalls are not.
Rule 3: Opinions articles, or Articles based on misinformation/propaganda may be removed. Sources that have a Low or Very Low factual reporting rating or MBFC Credibility Rating may be removed.
Rule 4: Posts or comments that are homophobic, transphobic, racist, sexist, anti-religious, or ableist will be removed. “Ironic” prejudice is just prejudiced.
Posts and comments must abide by the lemmy.world terms of service UPDATED AS OF 10/19
Rule 5: Keep it civil. It's OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It's NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
Rule 6: Memes, spam, other low effort posting, reposts, misinformation, advocating violence, off-topic, trolling, offensive, regarding the moderators or meta in content may be removed at any time.
Rule 7: We didn't USED to need a rule about how many posts one could make in a day, then someone posted NINETEEN articles in a single day. Not comments, FULL ARTICLES. If you're posting more than say, 10 or so, consider going outside and touching grass. We reserve the right to limit over-posting so a single user does not dominate the front page.
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
News !news@lemmy.world
Politics !politics@lemmy.world
World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world
For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/