one way I know the lemmy population is old is how frequently we complain about the youths these days. we’ve become our parents, and their parents before them, moaning about how no one has good taste anymore
The kids suck, but the olds suck even harder. Moral of the story, "I don't like people".
Years of experience, thank you very much.
Idk, man. I started feeling this way when I was ~14, at least about the music I heard on the radio. I rarely got any say over what we listened to in my parent's cars so I'd constantly be praying that the next song wouldn't be something that had come out recently
it’s one thing to not like new music, i think that’s normal, people discover the music they like fairly early on and usually get kinda stuck in it. but all the people saying new music is objectively garbage and people just have garbage taste now? yea they got that boomer mentality where the stuff they like from their youth is the golden age, everything else is inferior, and their opinions are facts
I dig new music and follow a bunch of artists who are releasing things right now. Over the last few years I’ve been introduced to entirely new genres and have fallen in love with them. This is the best time ever to be into music, there’s unprecedented variety and even very niche things can grow a strong community. Suffice it to say I do not believe that my personal taste has been cemented
But at the same time imo the typical pop music you hear in public has genuinely been getting worse. Some stuff is okay but a lot of it feels inauthentic. Just my 2c, I wouldn’t argue the point in objective terms
I’m in the exact same boat re: your first paragraph and I used to think the same re: your second paragraph, then I looked up the top charts from the 90s and yeah… it was always bad lol.
Top pop has always been trash.
Occasionally there are earworms like Toxic, Shape of You, or Padam Padam but it's mostly committee produced garbage.
I mostly listen to metal but gotta admit that Toxic is a fucking banger
I'm either still young or just a contrarian but so far I've successfully managed to avoid becoming this person. I constantly look for new stuff to experience and I still haven't felt like things have peaked. As in, no, I don't think music nowadays sucks, are you insane? There's so much cool stuff being made all the time that my only complaint is that don't have enough time to experience it all.
yea im in the sweet spot too lol, 30 and still regularly discovering new music i like. i hope we both maintain this positivity as we age, i think it’s a much nicer way to wade through life. even if i reach a point where i stop liking new music, i hope i can still see the value in it for others, i never want to be that old grump
I don't think the complaint here is about the modern music, more about how it's being produced and curated.
Maybe top 50 (back in my day it was top 40 dadgummit) is blah currently, idk. But there's definitely lots and lots and lots of great music out there to discover.
I stopped caring about online music charts once I found out how people bot their favorite artists to trending cuz they're insecure in their own music tastes
That and main stream music has become homogenous and formulaic. It was before, but it's more blatant now.
people bot their favorite artists
That's less "people" and more "marketing departments". So much mid-tier music gets blown up and then dropped overnight, as the promotion models change.
I blame radio. They only shovel garbage into your ears and shit you've heard a thousand times.
I think it's moreso the effect of big music labels figuring out how to make music with the broadest possible appeal. Clearly it worked, because these songs do really well statistically, but the result is songs with the blandest possible personality
Man, I can't remember the title, but whatever that Ed Sheeran song that exploded in like, 2018 or something? That was so bland and boring. I was baffled at how popular it was.
Also, how the hell did the Chainsmokers hit it big? Every single song is the same, monotonous "melody". I don't get how anyone listens to them without going mad.
It isn’t radio though because hardly anyone listens to the radio anymore. It’s probably because there is a practically small amount of radio listening that people have started grabbing onto anything that sounds basic and easily digestible. The less they’re challenged, the better they feel about it.
I feel like someone (radio, record labels, etc) is dictating what is easily available to the public and it usually isn't good, it's formula stupidity or old music. Old music is usually better music, but I personally can't listen to most of it anymore.
"Old music is usually better music" is survivorship bias. I'm not saying you're wrong but this is something we should have in mind when debating music in general.
I’m going to somewhat disagree, at least in principle. In the past three years I have heard so much good new music, music made in the last five to ten years, or even music made the year I heard it, that I think it’s out there. It’s just much more difficult to latch onto. There’s so much new stuff that’s just palatable, there’s a lot more access to music making gear and equipment that just about anyone can release an album now.
Popular music is mostly dictated by the law of supply and demand, if an artist is easily marketable then a record label is going to invest. Most streaming platforms are designed to spotlight up and coming artists (most marketable artists), or those artists who already have massive fanbases (market stalwarts). This wasn’t any different 50 years ago, but 50 years ago there was a higher standard for what music got to be released. There was also a much higher bar to entry for recording studio-quality music.
Yeah, it's not that music has gotten worse, it's that radio has gone squarely down the shitter since basically every station is owned by like 2 companies now.
Not radio in general, but Clearchannel.
Check out King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard. Something different.
Going to see them in may. Can confirm.
I realized a long time ago that music “sucked” because I would never open myself up to it and genuinely allow myself to find value in it.
It’s like my dad who has just decided that all rap sucks even though he has basically zero experience with it. I said the same thing until I was around 21 and almost missed all the really, really good stuff. Tai Verdes’ album “TV” is incredibly musical, for example.
What do you listen to right now?
I try my hardest to find new songs, because I don't want to be some boomer bastard.
I don't know what exactly counts as 'new', but I'm enjoying these songs a lot lately
AronChupa & Little Sis Nora - Tangaman
Little Sis Nora - MDMA
These two remind me of late 90s eurobeat shit like Aqua.
Shotgun Willy - Bombs Away
bbno$ & Yung Gravy (BABY GRAVY) - Goodness Gracious
I actually just like anything by this bbno$ guy, but I'm loving the beats and flow on these styles of rap.
Pickle - Stompin'
Makes me feel like I'm on drugs in a club back in the day.
I feel like a lot of new music is probably hidden away on shit like TikTok where I'm never going to be exposed to it because I don't use it. I have noticed Drum 'n' Bass seems to be back, but I was never a fan of that but I'm sure it's someones jam.
I lived the "Pop/rap/etc is bad" life for way too long, but fwiw most of it was during childhood, so mostly repeating my environment. Made the deliberate decision to get out of that mindset and have only increased my appreciation of music. That's not to say I don't still have opinions or preferences, but I'm not willingly shutting myself away from potential goodness.
Every generation: "I know all the generations before me have whined about the new music the kids are listening to, and I always correctly identified their whining as pathetic old-person behavior. But MY generation is actually right. The new music objectively sucks."
It'll happen to the current batch of kids, too.
Nobody will ever rise above it. It's just a basic part of human nature. You might as well ask people to stop breathing.
Selection bias is huge too. You could argue that the current hits suck, and that the current hits have always sucked in every era. Lots of them do, they're disposable trash music.
The difference is that we don't remember half the garbage that hit the charts when we were young, only the good stuff survives. When I play classic bangers for my daughter, she thinks they're awesome. Some of those tracks are older than me, but with streaming services and huge libraries "hits" don't really matter that much when we can now listen to the best tracks picked out of a century of recorded music.
I'm nearly 40 and I like to blast some of the current hits, I like stuff from the 90s and I like classic rock, funk and some of the really old jazz and blues stuff. There's no reason to act like your age has to determine your musical taste.
I have no time for some of the modern rappers with no skill though, that stuff is objectively trash when we grew up with legends like Outkast, Eminem etc lol
Does Canada have music? I thought it was just moose calls and beaver drumming?
Nobody will ever rise above it.
Actually I rose above it! Everything I like is great and everything I don't like is shit. Simple.
That's kinda missing the point. I am aware my taste in music is not the same as the new generation, still I hear and discover new music that's actually interesting.
On the other hand, Spotify misses the opportunity to actually offer you discovering new genres, artists, songs that you may like. That's OPs point, and I agree.
The last time a streaming service actually made me discover new music was 2015 Deezer.
Tip -
I've found Spotify's new music algorithm goes - "Oh, you used to listen to Motorhead and AC/DC? I think you'll like Kiss and Def Leppard"
YT music algorithm goes " Well I think, combining that with all the other stuff you listen to, you'll like Shaka Ponk, Deluxe, Pretty Reckless etc etc"
Google is a cunt these days but the quality of suggestions is vastly superior
I've found that Spotify goes "oh you listen exclusively to Scandinavian extreme metal? How about some American screamo OR the exact same stuff you've listened to already", which is the polar opposite to what I want. YouTube music is just a huge mess for me.
Tidal however has reintroduced me to some great bands I had forgotten about and shown me some new ones which are Top Notch ™️
God I miss Tidal. Their suggestions were so far above and beyond everything else I've tried, I just wish it was managed and maintained competently. Their Android and desktop apps are (were? It's been a while) so chock-full of playback bugs and annoying little quirks, and their customer support is probably not even legally considered customer support at all, considering the fact that it seems to consist entirely of a single email bot that receives support tickets, waits 3 weeks, then closes that ticket.
I was particularly irritated with the fact that albums would become "unavailable" so incredibly often, while a new, identical version of the album was made available, for no apparent reason. Since these replacement albums weren't automatically migrated into my library, I would have to remove and and re-add the albums individually in order to play them from my library, then update all my playlist containing any songs from that "disabled" version of the album by removing and re-adding each individual song. That shit got old, FAST.
I eventually had to swap to Spotify because of an absolutely baffling bug that acted like a virus and slowly "ate" my library (more info below if anyone's curious), and Spotify's music suggestions are just nothing short of horrendous.
My "discover weekly" last week for example was made up of approximately 60% songs either already in my library, or songs that I've listened to before and not liked much from artists in my library, plus 7 (!!) 20-30+ minute soundscapes, something I have NEVER listened to before, as well as 2 new Ariana Grande singles (sponsored? I've had to block her, those singles were popping up everywhere), and a few songs from totally out-there genres, including a country rap song which just so happens to be the one and only song I've ever actually disliked back before Spotify removed and re-introduced that feature, some background music from a random indie game's soundtrack which was mostly just cave noises, a jazz-fusion album's interlude, and something that I can only describe as bubblegum cyberpunk black glitch-metal dancecore. A positively psychotic selection of music.
Granted, that was the worst discover weekly I think I've ever had, but I still just wish that tidal worked for me, because I've never discovered more great music from any other platform's suggestion algorithm, and nothing since has even come close.
About the weird bug if anyone's curious:
The bug was pretty fucked up in that it behaved basically like a virus. At random points while listening, Tidal would fail to play a song at master quality, automatically downgrade playback by one level, then apply that inability to play master-quality permanently to each subsequent song I played in that session. These songs were now "infected". Replaying these songs at a later date would further degrade the playback quality by an additional level, and also add a delay of ~20 seconds per playback quality level it had been downgraded to, as well as infecting any other songs I played after. When a song reached 96kbps (or 160? Whatever the lowest is, I forget) and could not degrade any more, it would either play at minimum quality after a ~60 second delay (which was unskippable because Tidal was unresponsive to playing a new song during the delay), or just fail to play entirely while loading infinitely, absolutely chugging my battery-life, and overheating my phone. I could only stop it by force-closing the app, which would crash my phone, every single time. There was about a 20% chance for one of these songs to fail playback, but if it did play, that chance to fail playback was now applied to each subsequent song played, no matter the song's "infection level". Though that at least didn't seem to be permanently applied like the quality degradation, but I don't know for sure.
The weirdest part is that the bug would persist, spread, and behave exactly the same way on an old phone that had never had tidal installed before, and also with the desktop app (though without the overheating, and it would throw and error message after some time if a song failed to play). So the bug seemed somehow account-bound?
I researched unsuccessfully for weeks looking for a fix, and I tried everything I could to fix it aside from making a new tidal account, because it was a lot of trouble to migrat. And support... Well, Tidal support apparently just doesn't exist. I had sent 3 separate support tickets, all of which went unanswered, then marked as "resolved" and closed 2-3 weeks later. Only the 2nd ticket got an automated "thanks for your ticket, staff will help soon" response before being marked resolved and closed.
Eventually, so much of my library became infected (as well as a ton of random songs that would commonly end up playing after albums) that my ability to both listen to the music I loved and discover new music in the styles/genres I loved was crippled. Which obviously rendered the entire platform effectively useless. So after being repeatedly ignored by support with no explanation, and after several software updates that didn't fix the problem while I was trying to contact support, or even just report the bug... I had to give up and switch to Spotify.
At some point, though, Google starts recommending the same songs over and over and over. That's the reason for the popularity of curator channels like MrSuicideSheep, xKito, CloudKid, RockMontage, NuclearBlastEurope, Rare and Obscure Metal Archives, and MonsterCat.
YouTube regularly goes into a 2-song autoplay loop for me.
I miss the old Pandora, just a single page website, limited skips (it was free so it was a small tradeoff), and it actually would recommend music that you've never heard before that actually sounded similar to stuff you told its algo you liked.
Pandora was great. Discovered loads of cool, obscure shit.
The only downside is that their algorithm never changed, the same station had the same songs on repeat for 7+ years, not a single new song added per-query for some reason. Keeping it fresh would have gone a much longer way.
Top 50 Tracks From Recent Netflix Tween TV Shows.
Let me recommend some excellent Chinese/Taiwanese band I found this year (most of them are instrumental rock, so there are no language barriers)
The image is actually emblematic of why you're having trouble finding good new music. You're still just looking at the outside of the haystack. In the modern era it's incredibly easy to access good new music, but perhaps more difficult to find that music (based upon your tastes). The prevalence of independent music exploded over 20 years ago. At this point, if you're relying on the vestiges of major labels and popular distribution channels as your tastemakers you're basically doing it wrong.
The drawback is that you may actually have to put in some time and effort to find new stuff you like, but it's definitely out there. Probably much more exists than you have time to consider, really. How much time you're willing to spend searching depends on how important it is to you to find new stuff that you enjoy. Use shortcuts and find a different tastemaker associated with genre's that you like if you want (e.g. online publications, youtube channels, online forums/communities, playlist where they exist, podcast, etc.) You'll have to put in some time to find the relevant ones to you, but perhaps not as much time as combing through new stuff on your own.
Lots of us with interests in genres with an extensive underground scene have been sifting through the mud to find gems for decades already, and I still enjoy the process a lot, though many people might think I waste a lot of time. These days that skillset is transferable and almost a requirement to find the good stuff in any and every genre. Unless you are lucky or don't mind enough that the most commercial stuff is still your jam.
(edit: unless of course this post is more a condemnation of broadly popular tastes in music. I'd have to type more to address that, but I'll save it. It's nothing new, and also hinges on subjectivity.)
If you're into Rap/Hip Hop, Tobe Nwigwe is pretty new on the scene and killing it.
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