By their "logic", don't you enter into the contract to utilize the parking spots on the government-funded roads as soon as you park your car there?
Stupid people congregating together on message boards trying to game the system. Like children making arguments to stay up past bedtime.
Their whole system is based on if you're not held accountable in the moment, you're free.
America's legal system moves real fucking slow. There's people in my city that just straight up haven't used license plates for years. Because cops won't pull someone over for no plates.
Eventually they'll get an accident they can't drive away from tho, then they're getting all types of charges because you can't insure an unregistered car too.
They think because there hasn't been consequences yet, that none will ever come.
That's what's going on with these tickets too. They think it works, they don't know they're just racking up chickens that are gonna show up to roost one day.
In the meantime they make these social media posts telling everyone it works, and more people do it, which bogs the system down even more.
Their whole system is based on if you’re not held accountable in the moment
Jan6, in other words?
Exactly.
There's still idiots who claim it was ok because they were "let in" when police retreated due to violence.
By their logic a mugging has never happened, the victim decided of their own free will that losing a wallet was better than being shanked by a meth head.
So 100% legal apparently
Never mind the contract of driving on the roads to get to the parking spots. Those roads weren’t built by god, someone has to fund them.
Now remember people, it has to be exactly 45°. They will check so make sure you get a protractor or a carpenter's square.
This is absolutely true, and it's not limited to parking tickets. I was getting groceries and I was asked to pay. I knew this was just a trick to get me to enter contract, so I denied the contract (yes, I signed at a 45.0 degree angle) and left with my groceries for free.
The police did unlawfully arrest me though, so I am seeking a civil rights lawyer.
This guy is a liar, don't believe him. I was the cashier and I can tell you that he signed at a 44.3° angle (we're required to keep a protractor at every register for this exact reason), the peace officer was right to arrest him.
The weird rules they come up with always make me laugh. Red ink at a 45 degree angle?
It's like some incantation from a fantasy story or something. How do go so far down a rabbit hole that you think you have wizard powers that you can use by simply writing things in a weird way?
Like do they imagine the clerk is there with a protractor and is like "damn, it's 45 degrees, nothing we can do about this one!" Or is it like the clerk will go into a trance and be compelled by their magic incantation to throw the ticket out?
The thing is sovcits get little bits of truth, exaggerate them, and string a bunch randomly together. For the 45 degree thing, one way to revoke a will in some U.S. states is to clearly write something like VOID on it. To avoid not being clear enough, best practice would be big red letters at an angle across the text. But also, there are easier and more normal ways to void it.
Point bring, I feel somebody saw something like that and took away that red text + angle = get out of jail free. Which, no, that's not how law works.
Source: am US lawyer.
I imagine them carefully measuring it to find it's at 44.5 degrees and thus doesn't count.
That's the saddest part. They know the secrets, but lack the required accuracy.
TILA-RESPA of 2015. Extends only to banking institutions in limited situations related to home loans. 12 USC ch. 27.
You cannot just read a single sentence from that act, the three day period, and just randomly apply it everywhere. And I have no idea where the 45⁰ thing comes from but sounds right up there with bay leaves and candles.
Obey the law. #NotLegalAdvice
What’s funnier is using laws of a nation they’re saying don’t apply to them as protection for their nonsense.
They do the same thing with the bible.
Ok, but why is it important that it be written at a 45 degree angle? What if it’s at 46 or 44? Does it still work?
DENIED DUE TO 44.8° ANGLE
It's probably impossible to get a perfect 45 degree angle. Even a lab environment could probably only get it accurate to some high number of decimal points.
As long as I have a better lab, I can prove it wasn't 45 degrees and hence would be invalid.
Sovereign citizens hate this one weird trick
The kindergarten handwriting in fat marker really chefs kisses this to the next level
The ticket is an offer for you to defend yourself in court. Declining that offer is equivalent to pleading guilty in most places.
Don't waste your breath, trying to correct a SovCit is like punching holes in a lake.
WTF does "cause without dishonor or recourse to me" mean? It sounds like the words are all out of order lol
It's "hereby refused for cause,
Without dishonor or recourse to me."
As in, without it being a blemish on their reputation or action made against them.
As stupid as their argument and attempt are, that phrase made sense to me.
So in other words "I'm allowed to break the law with impunity and you can't ever say anything bad about me because I'm special"?
It's basically being told you owe money and in response saying, "Yeah no thanks on that debt. I refuse to accept it. But don't think less of me or let it affect anything else you're still doing for me or that I feel entitled to!"
And if that sounds completely ridiculous it's because it is.
LPT: Mutter "without dishonor or recourse to me" intermittently all day so nothing bad happens to you ever.
I love how they just make up laws and then believe that it's real. Contact law exists... but this is nothing to do with contact law. This is more closely related to belief in the tooth fairy than it is to any actual legal facts.
And the 45 degree writing is just the icing on the idiocy cake.
I swear to god, if I was more conspiracy minded I'd say this kind of awful advice was some kind of effort by private prison contractors to increase the incarcerated population.
Ever notice how everything is certified mail. It's all a scam by Big Postal to drive up certified mail income. Wake up sheeple!
I just wonder why they are spreading this misinformation.
Did they try it and for some reason it worked that one time?
Or are they actively malicious trying to get as many Sovcits arrested for the laugh?
I do absolutely love watching sov cits get arrested.
Can you please make this a TV show kind of like Dateline where they embarrass pedophiles? Excuse me sir sir I clearly refused to contract on that ticket sir was it not in red at a clear 45. Why are you detaining me clunk as face strikes door frame of cop car sir the sovereign state of bob is now at war with you! clunk DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY DIPLOMATIC IIIIIMUUUUNITAI
No, I'm pretty sure you entered into the "contract" by parking on municipal property that had "pay here" notices everywhere and an obvious kiosk to pay.
It only works if it is precisely 45 degrees, and the court has a flag without a fringe.
Or is it wit a fringe?
I can't keep up.
Yup. The court will totally understand and not force you to pay anyway. :D
"That darned lawbreaker figured out all the right words to say, and in the correct order too! My hands are tied!" -some hapless clerk.
Love how this is only for Downtown Raleigh too.
Every region has its own very precise angle and ink color requirements.
So why do only ever see sovereign citizen posts on this sub? Surely Facebook has a cornucopia of insanity to choose from.
Cause the only one who actually uploads here is really into Sovcits.
You can help by uploading your own found insane social media posts.
The latest Maga/Qanon thing isn't so interesting anymore because they aren't really very creative. It's more of the same. The Sov Cit crowd has no end of chicanery to look at.
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