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It fucking sucks, how tf did the subreddit get so big? This is just them talking about decade old twitter drama.

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[-] supafuzz@hexbear.net 72 points 9 months ago

the Chapo philosopher king and best reason to listen had a stroke and is on indefinite hiatus

[-] Doubledee@hexbear.net 48 points 9 months ago
[-] Dr_Gabriel_Aby@hexbear.net 28 points 9 months ago

Just like Lenin’s brain couldn’t handle the defeat of the German Socialists, Matt’s brain couldn’t handle the IDF cum squad.

[-] YearOfTheCommieDesktop@hexbear.net 42 points 9 months ago
[-] emizeko@hexbear.net 12 points 9 months ago

in the same week

[-] zifnab25@hexbear.net 18 points 9 months ago
[-] Dessa@hexbear.net 15 points 9 months ago

Is *checks over shoulders* Amber still on the show?

[-] SnowySkyes@hexbear.net 14 points 9 months ago

On very rare occasion. She's been on a couple times since Matt's stroke, but that's about it.

[-] Dessa@hexbear.net 11 points 9 months ago

Shame. I often hated her takws, byt the importance of a gadfly shouldn't be underestimated

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[-] lemmyseizethemeans@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 9 months ago

I was so upset when Virgil bailed from Bad Faith. Brianna's kicking so much ass lately

[-] zifnab25@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago

He was already basically in a producer role, which is a shame because I like Brianna with a co-host. Really feel like she needs a second to balance out her intensity.

Kinda feel the same way about Matt, which is why I liked them together even if they didn't.

[-] CTHlurker@hexbear.net 15 points 9 months ago

The worst part is that I legitimately liked hearing the electoralist brainworms of virgil-phone and that MF'er straight up disappeared

[-] Lerios@hexbear.net 49 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

the subreddit was almost completely unrelated to the show, like legit i was there for months before i knew the show even existed. the sub got big because it was accessible big tent leftism - actual leftist shit that could criticise neoliberalism and point out the contradictions while being easily digestible and not racist. thats all it took because there was virtually nothing else that did all those things.

[-] CTHlurker@hexbear.net 31 points 9 months ago

The Sub also got big because the rest of Reddit fucking hated it.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

because it was accessible big tent leftism

This is rapidly occurring in /r/anticonsumptioon at the same scale as antiwork was prior to the takedown and explosion of drama.

I am extremely concerned for its future as it has literally 2 mods and my conversations with the existing mod suggests the top mod is entirely inactive and the 1 existing mod has no permission to add new mods.

Eventually reddit's going to force them to add new mods and they're all going to be turbo-liberals.

The current existing mod is sympathetic to us, and has assured me that they don't want the modteam doing anticommunism in the community like the antiwork team did. But the way this is gonna go is gonna be at the whims of how the admins force new mod additions when they get fed up of it being moderated poorly.

[-] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 38 points 9 months ago

They were at peak form during the election cycles because you had a cast of dipshit politicians doing things every week and so you got recap + jokes each week so you could keep relatively current without bothering with liberal media.

[-] Elon_Musk@hexbear.net 29 points 9 months ago

True Anon is the real podcast now

[-] Feinsteins_Ghost@hexbear.net 27 points 9 months ago

The subreddit was full of liberals just like this place is.

[-] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 12 points 9 months ago

r/chapotraphouse2 was the real thing. Got axed at the same time as the og cth.

[-] Acute_Engles@hexbear.net 21 points 9 months ago

This is Moretankiechapo and chapotraphouse2_2_2_2 erasure

[-] Dessa@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago

Chapo3 was the real deal. Not a lib in site what with posting being banned.

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[-] wtypstanaccount04@hexbear.net 26 points 9 months ago

Citations Needed is a good podcast, if a little dry. Do they talk about Twitter drama much?

[-] AcidMarxist@hexbear.net 25 points 9 months ago
[-] SuperZutsuki@hexbear.net 33 points 9 months ago

I think citations needed only really works for terminally online turbolibs as a window to the world outside the mainstream narratives. I don't really get anything from listening to it and thinking, "Yeah, I know." and agreeing with them on most things.

[-] blobjim@hexbear.net 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Sometimes it's just playing to the crowd. Sometimes they actually talk about a through-line of American propaganda that I never noticed and that's when it works super well. Sometimes it's so good that I hope it gets preserved for future generations as a way of understanding the US.

The recent episode 195 was decent.

They really are the perfect podcast for sending to politics-minded friends (not that I actually do that, lol). Just make sure you don't send an episode where they talk extra-smarmily for extended periods.

[-] Dessa@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Occasionally they'll have a good bit. They did one on why country music turned chuddy a while back and it was excellent

[-] zifnab25@hexbear.net 24 points 9 months ago

Finally getting into the Beetles in 2024 and y'all I don't think McCartney is that good also where's John Lenon at these days?

[-] DayOfDoom@hexbear.net 23 points 9 months ago

I don't know why you started with episode 1.

[-] Washburn@hexbear.net 21 points 9 months ago

It was only 2 year old Twitter drama then

[-] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 20 points 9 months ago

Maybe part of it was that there was a widespread desire to be irreverent, and the hosts mixed a lot of history and politics in with their media critique.

But the bigger reason why r/CTH took off is because r/communism sucked and r/anarchism sucked and r/socialism sucked and r/latestagecapitalism sucked. As soon as r/CTH became known as a nonsectarian space that upheld progressive politics but no specific banner, and started to develop a reputation of its own, including making fun of reactionaries instead of banning them, it began to really take off.

[-] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago

Genuinely this is why I loved it and now love hexbear. I don't want to get into Internet fights with leftists, I want to shit on right wing assholes together. None of this really matters climate change is going to doom us all and we can debate theory amidst the ruins of society.

[-] Chapo_is_Red@hexbear.net 19 points 9 months ago

It has good episodes and bad episodes. I generally like it. I enjoy when they really dig into liberal/chud brainworms, and regularly get good guests.

I think it had finally gotten into a good post-Bernie rhythm, but then Matt had a stroke and it's been more hit or miss.

I don't think it's "must listen to" by any means though.

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[-] M68040@hexbear.net 18 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I think Chapo’s moment kind of passed with the failure of Sanders’ 2020 run tbh. Kind of felt like one of the last nails in the coffin. Also other podcasts do what they did better these days.

I will say I do still love the pure screaming pathos of Matt losing his shit at an awful Megan McArdle OpEd about the Grenfell fire. One of the first times I ever felt like someone else was being driven mad by this stuff to the same degree and in the precise way I am.

[-] YEP@hexbear.net 18 points 9 months ago

Last 3 episodes were really bad. The regular show is good when they find a slate of insane ameribrained op eds to ridicule for 45 min also bc of the size of the show they have on very good guests fairly regularly. The episode recently with Ryan grim where they discussed his new book about the squad(absolutely brutal portrayal of AOC) was very good. Their interview with beirut based journalist Séamus Malekafzali was also stand out. All the spin offs that are actual passion projects are also good like others mentioned in this thread.

[-] Great_Leader_Is_Dead@hexbear.net 11 points 9 months ago
[-] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago

"rigby! stop playing fortnite and help me shit on this natsec ghoul!"

"come on mordecai i can do both at the same time!"

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[-] Des@hexbear.net 17 points 9 months ago

it's background noise at work i would never pay for it

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[-] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 15 points 9 months ago

I think the media analysis is really smart and insightful but it has a weird way of making you feel like you already know everything they're saying, and the delivery tends toward the dry side.

[-] AnarchoAnarchist@hexbear.net 15 points 9 months ago

I still listen to them, and subscribe to the Patreon, but their podcast has been getting weaker for a long time.

Like everyone else says, their golden era is 2016 to 2020. 2020 to now has been a slow decline, that accelerated as soon as Matt was hospitalized.

I mainly still subscribe and listen out of inertia. If Trump wins this election I expect the quality to go up a little, but without Matt this podcast is a hollow shell of its former self. The main things keeping me around are the occasional amazing guest, and their coverage of Israel.

Trueanon is much better in general, and Bad Hasbara usually does a better job of satisfying my need for anti Israel content. Starting Chapo now is like watching the last season of Lost, without the sunk cost of all the previous seasons, It's going to be confusing boring and lame, and you're not going to understand why it was popular in the first place.

[-] the_itsb@hexbear.net 14 points 9 months ago

I stopped listening sometime in 2019-2020 because I just couldn't handle anymore doses of reality while I was doing the dishes.

In the few years I lurked it, the subreddit legitimately was only ever tangentially related to the podcast, it very much had a life and culture of its own that just reacted to the podcast instead of being shaped by it at all.

I got way much more out of the community than I ever did the show. And still do, obviously, since I haven't listened in years.

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[-] rootsbreadandmakka@hexbear.net 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

2016-2020 was peak chapo era and I'm guessing the period when most of us on this site listened to the podcast. I at least stopped listening at the start of 2020 and I think a lot of other people stopped listening in that year also. I think it was really a product of that time period, of these new extremely young leftists discovering socialism for the first time. Most listeners also I'm guessing were fully children of the end of history, many of whom came of age during the Obama era, and the irreverent takes and just taking the piss out of the absurdity of the 2016 election and then the subsequent dumpster fire that was the Trump administration were a breath of fresh air to the civility politics that had defined the earlier era, especially during Obama. People were sick of West Wing, they wanted Chapo.

So I think that's the context for the podcast existing and getting so popular. But the sub pretty quickly moved past the podcast, and I think the podcast hosts actually mentioned the sub on one episode to criticize it? They sorta hated the sub. So there was a divide between the sub and the podcast, at least by the time I got on there. Nevertheless, the subreddit always had the new episode pinned to the top, and the podcast was still mostly how people got on the sub - they were attracted by the podcast's refutation of liberalism and civility politics, and then found their way onto the sub to further their development into a marxist-leninist.

[-] pumpchilienthusiast@hexbear.net 14 points 9 months ago

correct, Bernie's loss and covid broke their brains

I don't know how much longer the podcast can last without our glorious big boy large-adult-son

[-] Ericthescruffy@hexbear.net 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Half the hosts aren't even there at this point for various reasons . I still tune in regularly if only hoping to hear the sweet insightful tones of Matt Christman once again but even with his presence the podcast is and always was going to be a shadow of itself in the wake of the Bernie campaign. Matt himself actually acknowledged in an interview that it was incredibly relieving to not be 'relevant' anymore such that they could actually influence anything.

I have no plans to ever stop listening but at this point: it's not a place to get cutting edge hot takes or anything super insightful/important. It's just something I listen to while working out cause it's a classic para social relationship where I feel like I'm hanging out with my old friends from back when I still had optimism.

[-] InternetLefty@hexbear.net 12 points 9 months ago

i-think-that I think that it's still pretty good and I would never pay for it but it's nice to hear people who think like me during the week otherwise I would go insane

[-] Great_Leader_Is_Dead@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago

Cumtown is sorta an acquired taste, so I get it.

[-] Acute_Engles@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago

It was my gateway to learning about leftist podcasts but I also still find some episodes funny to this day so idk

I'm not even American nor have i ever used Twitter

[-] Xx_Aru_xX@hexbear.net 8 points 9 months ago

There's a podcast?

[-] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 8 points 9 months ago

yeah, it's awesome.

ep 800 was really good, listen to that one

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