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Scientists develop game-changing 'glass brick' that could revolutionize construction: 'The highest insulating performance'::The team of scientists developed an aerogel glass brick, which is a translucent and thermally insulating material.

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[-] Branch_Ranch@lemmy.world 152 points 9 months ago

I wish the article would have mentioned an R-value or at least something to describe the actual efficiency of its insulating ability.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 118 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Any time an article references another, immediately jump ship and read the original.

The glass brick has a measured thermal conductivity of 53 mW/m*K and a compressive strength of nearly 45 MPa.”

“This is the highest insulating performance of any brick found in the technical literature, let alone on the market. Additionally, it comes with the property of light transmission.”

https://www.sci.news/othersciences/materials/aerogel-glass-brick-11848.html

[-] Atelopus-zeteki@kbin.run 47 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

For comparison: From Seves Glass Block: "Unlike standard glass blocks that have a thermal transmission coefficient "U"of 2.8 W/sq mt x K), HTI has a "U" value of 1.8 W/(sq mt x K). (https://www.sevesglassblock.com/product/191916-hti-wave-sahara-2s/). So common glass block is 2.8, fancier glass block is 1.8, and this new Aeroblock 0.053!! I think I did my numbers correctly, and DANG! I wan't to start building walls with this stuff tomorrow!!

Also: Get the light & keep the warmth - A highly insulating, translucent aerogel glass brick for building envelopes https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352710222016060

Edit: Looks like my numbers are off, above, per @A_A@lemmy.world. Clearly, I'm neither an architect, nor a mathematician.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 35 points 9 months ago

Anything to get rid of modern vinyl houses.

Masonry is always worth it for housing, we need to go back to building houses that'll still be habitable a century later.

[-] usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca 22 points 9 months ago

Except earthquake prone areas, and maybe others I'm not thinking if. Wood isn't the problem, cheap+fast wood is.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Houses generally will last a century with basic maintenance. Modern US construction techniques are a lot more thought out than is generally acknowledged.

I'm more concerned with things becoming "outdated" in aesthetic ways. A properly installed tiled bathroom (including the bath stall) can last a long, long time, but future owners might not like the look and tear it all out. Recycling it all is a laughable dream. There are designs, though, that stand up to the test of time, and we should be pushing those more.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

Man.

I wish my standard of living was so high I'd think redoing a bathroom for aesthetic choices was a common run of the mill thing everybody's just doing on a whim.

Congrats.

[-] SparrowRanjitScaur@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It's fairly common. People with money hire contractors to do the work for them. People that want to save money tend to DIY it. But redoing bathrooms is quite common.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 4 points 9 months ago

It does happen all the time. If a flipper buys a house, redoing an old bathroom is one of their first things they think of.

[-] A_A@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

You are confusing the units : the value for aerogel is for a 1 m thick wall, while the value for your glass blocks is for 16 centimeter (one block thick). So an error of 16/100 ratio (or 100/16).

[-] Atelopus-zeteki@kbin.run 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

whoops! TY! Umm, wait, a 1 meter thick wall of aerogel?

[-] GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

WMK values are generally quoted as transmission for 1m thick for insulating materials. (watts lost per meter squared per delta kelvin).

For example, PIR board is about 0.022. So for 100mm thick, it would be 0.22W lost per degree difference.
The aerogel glass is quoted at 0.053
Mineral wool is 0.038
Brick is 0.600 on a good day.
Pure aerogel is about 0.018.
Glass is about 1.000 (varies).

I can see this being used in situations where light is needed, but a window is not.
I can definitely see the benefits of making utility walls out of it.
It's going to be expensive though, at least until aerogel prices come down.
And it's not going to beat using the same depth of PIR board, or mineral wool. (assuming the numbers are all correct)

[-] gibmiser@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago

Or include a picture of the actual material instead of a stock photo of a glass brick stairwell...

[-] abhibeckert@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The source article has this "visualisation":

From that I'd assume it's not suitable for windows, but it is suitable for taking advantage of natural lighting (not to mention it just looks pretty cool... though I'm not sure about the rest of the architecture in that image).

[-] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago

It's also good at broadcasting to your neighborhood whether or not you're home.

[-] Hule@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

In these times?

You install smart lighting to mimic human presence.

Burglars put up wireless cameras to be sure You left.

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

You mean like how windows do now?

[-] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

A quick search yields an R value of 9.6-20 per inch for already available aerogel insulating materials. So a standard exterior wall would have a 3.5"(2x4) or 5.5" (2x6) cavity giving R values of 33.6 and 52.8 respectively at the lower efficiency and cheaper options. That is better performance than pretty much any other option, but the cost is like 10-30 times that of other options.

If they are containing the aerogel granules in glass, which seems to be the case, the thermal bridging would be an issue for efficiency. A solid glass block has an R value of 1.15... A triple glazed window has an R value of 7-8.

The better option than glass block would be filling the cavity of a double glazed window with aerogel granules, which would cut down on thermal bridging to the just the sash/casing and would be more economically viable for production.

[-] abhibeckert@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

but the cost is like 10-30 times that of other options

Are you just talking construction costs? How about if you consider the lifetime energy consumption of a building over, I dunno, 50 years? And using zero emission heating, since in 50 years we hopefully are not using fossil fuels for that.

Obviously that's going to vary dramatically depending on the indoor/outdoor temperature delta and future renewable energy costs, so there are too many variables to come up with a number easily, but I could see these bricks being very cheap if you factor int he total cost over the life of the building.

The better option than glass block would be filling the cavity of a double glazed window with aerogel granules

Glass works ok for small windows - but large glass panels are fragile and expensive.

[-] Natanael@slrpnk.net 4 points 9 months ago

Aerogel is also fragile

[-] Ilgaz@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

Isn't aeorogel really expensive to begin with? I mean we have tech like Ytong and they are still using bricks in buildings. Why? Ytong seems expensive to uneducated who have no clue about TCO and engineering.

[-] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Aerogel is insanely expensive. It has an R-value of 10 per inch and the handy property of costing about $1 per R-value per square foot. So a piece of aerogel 1" thick by 4' x 8' would cost $320; the equivalent piece of 2" thick XPS foam board (also R-10) costs about $50 these days. So with aerogel you're paying a 500% to 600% premium to have your insulation be half as thick as XPS would be - and to essentially have no compression resistance at all (vs. the 20+ PSI of foam board).

[-] JakenVeina@lemm.ee 4 points 9 months ago

Me, I'm noticing the distinct lack of any information on cost or cost-effectiveness.

[-] PeterPoopshit@lemmy.world 46 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

So if you could theoretically let out a big enough fart, it would be visible on Google Maps.

[-] ipipip@iusearchlinux.fyi 49 points 9 months ago
[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 32 points 9 months ago

And yet Lemmy is so small I immediately knew which post they were referring to.

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[-] PeterPoopshit@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago

Wow wtf my comment didn't go to the post I intended. Huh.

[-] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 18 points 9 months ago

I'm still thoroughly intrigued.

[-] june@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

Yea I need to see this fart post

[-] ipipip@iusearchlinux.fyi 12 points 9 months ago
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[-] Abnorc@lemm.ee 6 points 9 months ago

Wait, I want to hear what he was to say.

[-] realitista@lemmy.world 46 points 9 months ago

Yeah but then I'd have to stop throwing stones, and that's one of my favorite pastimes.

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[-] Deello@lemm.ee 11 points 9 months ago

Aren't we running out of sand? How is this a sustainable option.

[-] Revan343@lemmy.ca 33 points 9 months ago

We're running out of concrete sand, glass sand doesn't have to be as picky because you're melting it

[-] Deello@lemm.ee 7 points 9 months ago

So "technically" right but not "completely" right. Thanks for the explanation.

[-] dutchkimble@lemy.lol 11 points 9 months ago

This was Anakin's plan along

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