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spoilerSalaries for new roles are stagnating – and in some cases, falling. Some employers may be looking to cut costs, but the lack of wage growth may be a matter of post-pandemic correction.

The mass US layoffs of the past few years are continuing. In 2024 alone, thousands of workers across many sectors, including media and technology, have lost their jobs and are on the hunt for new ones. But some are finding an unwelcome surprise as they scan listings for open roles. A salary bump is all but impossible; in many cases, wages seem lower than their previous pay – even for the same jobs.

They aren't imagining things. A 2023 report on pay trends from ZipRecruiter showed 48% of 2,000 US companies surveyed lowered pay for certain roles.

But, say experts, companies aren't necessarily just seizing a moment in a tight job market to reduce costs. In some cases, stagnant and even lowered salaries are the result of an overdue reset for a pandemic era surge in compensation when companies were scrambling to fill roles during the Great Resignation. The effect of oversupply

The tightening labour market has left US workers with fewer options than just years earlier. Beginning 2020, employers boosted salaries to new heights to attract talent to a deluge of open roles. But amid an uncertain economy, employers have pulled back from new hires and cut jobs.

"There is now less competition to hire workers – and therefore less need to boost wages," says Nick Bunker, US-based director of North American Economic Research at Indeed. "Job postings have dropped quite a bit, while the supply of workers has grown."

At its peak in early 2022, US wage growth for advertised roles climbed to 9.3% year-over-year, according to Indeed data. It has fallen precipitously ever since, as demand for workers has slumped. By January 2024, it had plummeted to 3.6%. The downward trend continues, and it's unclear when it will reach the bottom.

Now, with a decline in open roles, workers have fewer opportunities to get new jobs and secure better compensation. Simply, employees have less leverage to negotiate pay or secure a better starting salary – especially if they're clawing for any type of employment they can get.

In some cases, says Bunker, a company may not outright drop their compensation for new roles, but in the current environment of inflation, money simply won't go as far – the same wage as before may feel like a pay cut to workers. But in other cases, a greater supply of workers against weakened demand may mean a similar position from 2022 is now advertised with a lower salary.

This is most likely to happen in industries that had the greatest competition for workers during the hiring crisis. For example, Indeed data shows US hospitality and retail jobs experienced 11.8% wage growth year-over-year in February 2022 – falling nearly four-fold 3.4% by January 2024. Companies in other sectors, such as tech, which once experienced a high demand for workers, are now also resetting expectations.

"We saw a massive bull run in the market during the pandemic, where there was a big increase in baseline compensation for workers because of talent shortages," says Chris Rice, of Boston-based US executive tech recruiting firm Riviera Partners. "We're still seeing a market reset that's ongoing. An oversupply means compensation has dropped because the demand is no longer there." 'A whiplash effect'

Ultimately, employers who are filling roles after layoffs or hiring freezes are likely to use the newfound leverage they have, says Till von Wachter, professor of economics at University of California, Los Angeles. "They'll tend to orient their new salaries at the going rate, so starting wages may fall in order to equilibrate the market," he says.

The current phenomenon may be felt most acutely in the US because of how its economy rebounded from the first Covid-19 lockdown in 2020. Indeed data shows its peak wage growth dwarfed that of the UK and Europe. "The US economy jumped out the gates in the wake of stimulus packages and mass vaccinations," says Bunker. "So, wage growth has faded rapidly amid less job market churn and switching."

In many ways, what we're seeing is a correction. Wage growth is reverting to pre-pandemic levels of below 3%, says Bunker. "A 9.3% spike in year-over-year wage growth is anomalous in many ways. It came from the initial shock of Covid-19, and an economy heading towards recession suddenly rapidly expanding, then having to suddenly hit the brakes again. It's a whiplash effect."

At current rates, wage growth may return to pre-Covid levels by May 2024, says Bunker. Whether it rises, plateaus or shrinks from there depends on whether hiring picks up. And if inflation continues to rise, workers will increasingly feel the pinch of these new lower or stagnant salaries, he adds.

While inflation has begun to drop in the US and UK, the cost of living has outstripped salary increases for nearly three years, says Bunker. "Real wages today are still below where they would have been presumed to be, pre-pandemic. So, it's a race between inflation and wages."

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[-] happybadger@hexbear.net 75 points 8 months ago

Bidenomics saves the day. Yes food and rent are more expensive, yes wages are down, but

[-] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 31 points 8 months ago

Genuinely at this point it’s like “You know what maybe Trump was better”

I already thought Trump’s incompetence made him better for the rest of the world, but at this point I’m like “At least under Trump the economy wasn’t this fucked”

[-] SoloboiNanook@hexbear.net 17 points 8 months ago

I don't think it being fucked is going to change regardless of who is in office. Neither are willing to do the fundamental changes necessary to put a stop to this lol. Trump just gonna look at it and filter it through his own "actually this is good" rhetoric.

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[-] zifnab25@hexbear.net 62 points 8 months ago

Conservatives will tell you that the real "Minimum Wage" is $0, and I'm beginning to suspect this is their end goal.

[-] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 48 points 8 months ago

After deducting the cost of your dormitories and the chit allotment in the company store your take-home pay is zero dollars.

[-] zifnab25@hexbear.net 58 points 8 months ago

your take-home pay is ~~zero dollars~~ you owe us money.

[-] novibe@lemmy.ml 28 points 8 months ago

In a systemic way, that’s literally how things are right now lol

Most people are in some type of debt and have negative net worth. Like most people literally need to spend more than they earn to survive. And the money comes from working at a capitalist company, and spent at capitalist companies.

The whole world is a giant corporate town (except for the good places ofc).

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[-] CarbonScored@hexbear.net 21 points 8 months ago

Everything always comes back to Sixteen Tons, don't it?

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[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 56 points 8 months ago

Funny how when wages go down its a post-pandemic correction (even though the pandemic isn't over) but when prices stay high its just that the market moves in mysterious ways.

[-] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 25 points 8 months ago

Perfect radicalization tool. If you're poor, you will see an increase in suffering as a result of the economy being good, so "the economy" is irrelevant at best for poor people or our outright enemy.

[-] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 56 points 8 months ago

Yes but see you just don't understand the economy. Let me explain how nobody being able to afford housing or food or transportation or healthcare is actually a good thing.

[-] trashxeos@lemmygrad.ml 38 points 8 months ago

Cameras cut to the most insufferable rich fuck they can find "because, fuck you, that's why. Now quit watching TV and get back to work, billionaires on yachts depend on your labor!"

[-] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 30 points 8 months ago

A rising tide lifts all yachts after all!

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[-] CarbonScored@hexbear.net 56 points 8 months ago

I think it's only fair we also "reset" all the employers' wealth too, then sicko-satan

[-] Hestia@hexbear.net 18 points 8 months ago

I prefer the phrase... Induce a state of reincarnation.

[-] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 45 points 8 months ago

I did an unsuccessful job search last month and the number of recruiters talking about the company using benchmarks to set salaries was up significantly from my last job search a couple years ago. Like from 0 to every single fucking one.

Smells an awful lot like the way RealPage fucked tenants by helping landlords collude to raise rents.

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[-] Sephitard9001@hexbear.net 45 points 8 months ago

Everything under capitalism will continue to increase in price, except for wages, because wages increasing would cause inflation.

So you're saying capitalism is designed to exploit the working class?

No that's a communist conspiracy theory.

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[-] kusuriya@infosec.pub 41 points 8 months ago

Boy are they going to be surprised when their profits start "resetting" because nobody can afford their shit

[-] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 20 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Capitalists really do perform a great job in showing us why a command economy is more efficient. Because of "muh shareholder value" we're in what is essentially a man-made famine.

porky-scared-flipped stalin-gun-1 stalin-gun-2

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[-] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 37 points 8 months ago

A person I know was one of the overpaid tech workers until he quit his job mid last year, expecting to take a few months off and then jump back in elsewhere for +20% pay. There's a bit of schadenfreude watching him seek work now and not just getting things on a silver platter.

[-] solarvector@lemmy.zip 28 points 8 months ago

Was he underpaid, or are you just under paid?

Schadenfreude seems misplaced when it's just that one segment of the workforce escaped getting fucked over, and now they've joined the majority in getting fucked over.

[-] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 36 points 8 months ago

He's a reactionary treat baby and a landlord. I hear you and you're right on a systemic level. Nevertheless, I never claimed to be a perfect communist and I hope many many other people get better treatment before this guy does.

[-] abc@hexbear.net 37 points 8 months ago

I got a 9.5% raise this year (which honestly pissed me off because if you're gonna give someone a 9.5% raise just go for fucking 10%) but lol with inflation it is meaningless. supervisor was like "yayyyyy :)" when they told me only to be shocked when I went what-the-hell "cool this brings down my rent budget from 80% of my monthly income to ~75%"

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[-] Doubledee@hexbear.net 33 points 8 months ago

Imagine being a normal person, sitting and writing this drivel uncritically, seeing what you have made and not minecrafting yourself immediately.

"It's not fair that material conditions made it clear we could pay far better than we were willing to before the pandemic forced our hand. Mods plz i-spil-my-jice "

[-] Maoo@hexbear.net 32 points 8 months ago

Sorry but the science of economics has spoken: higher wages is bad and unnatural, lower wages is good and natural.

[-] GrumpigPoopBalls@hexbear.net 32 points 8 months ago

my savings are like 1/3 of what they were this time last year after a 6 month involuntary "fun"employment gap and medical bills and it barely feels like I can start building anything up again. I got told last week that i'm probably not eligible for a raise this year because i haven't been with the company long enough (because they laid me off for 6 months before i went back for a different position....) i was explicitly rehired over other potential candidates because they would have to pay me less since I don't have a phd agony-4horsemen

[-] Thordros@hexbear.net 32 points 8 months ago

I recently regained access to Costco after a four year, "I don't have any fucking money," gap. Prices are literally double what they were in 2020.

Anyway, falling wages is good for The Line. stonks-up

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[-] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 28 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Anyone get a 10% COLA last year?

Rhetorical of course all of our salaries are falling not just those of new hires

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[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 28 points 8 months ago

Neolibs: "It's okay that there's tons of inflation because salaries will rise to meet it! It's all part of how the market works!"

The Market:

[-] Des@hexbear.net 27 points 8 months ago

i live in a weird area that's a combo of low cost of living and has a huge labor shortage but it's only because of very unique circumstances (very rural population that skews very old)

also it's very uneven. we have trouble filling FT positions and starting pay is up to almost $20/hr (grocery retail) but like hours are really unpredictable and keep getting choked off leaving everyone overworked and sub-40hrs a week

grocery also is keeping the gravy train rolling by just continuing to raise prices forever until an armed people's militia starts hijacking our trucks lol what am i saying that will never happen

unless? hyperflush

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[-] Simmy@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 8 months ago

Capitalist think they are smart, but at the end of the day, lower wages means disposble income, so less buyers for products or services. Except essentials which they'll keep control, untill we get very angry mobs, and go take it, which will happen.

[-] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 8 months ago

It's not about being smart/dumb. Capitalists fill the full intelligence range from roughly like an Elon type dipshit to (and fuck them, but they aren't dumb) Zuckerberg or Gates. Guys who aren't all that super technically skilled, but are good at exploiting their given status in life from birth.

This is just the inevitable consequences of capitalism. Regulation can/could hold back the worst aspects, but given time, liberalism will always rot out the social safety nets.

There can legitimately be no such thing as a good capitalist. The term is neutral. Just a descriptor. The same as labor. It describes their class and position in relation to capital and the means of production.

Their position requires that they exploit labor in ever-intensifying ways. Their profits have to go up, the capitalist class demands it, and profits only go up through heavier exploitation. More hours of labor for the same or less pay. Less pay, easily hidden in the veil of inflation at the moment. No further amenities from the public sector as that might reduce the pressure forcing people to work longer or for less pay.

The perfect laborer to a capitalist is one who works 24/7 at a constant, maximized output. They never rest, never eat, never require time for families or anything besides working, perfectly, producing surplus value for the capitalists to suck up. Slavery is ideal for them, of course, but considered a bit gauche now days. But have no doubt they'll keep pushing the labor force further and further in basically a reversal of any sort of progress made since the mid 1800s. Because they have to. The profits must rise.

If we're all super honest, the US workforce can take a lot more punishment. People are just now realizing futures of multiple roommates into their 30s (for lifetime, likely, unless something huge happens). Lives of their entire checks going to capitalists who simply happen to own their building. Food cutting into the budget further and further. People still get by though and, relative to the global south, decently well off.

Considering the absolute lack of any class conscienceness why wouldn't workers just continue to suffer more and more year over year until everyone is in a barracks-style bunker with 50 people per room with bunk beds and mass showers? (You'll still cough up 50% of your paycheck for that, btw). I mean this sincerely. People have zero organization and basically no knowledge of the past. Why not shove the entire laborforce into prisons as long as they have Internet, phones, and some tasty slop nightly, people will allow themselves to be subjected to far worse. Not that you'll have much choice. The rare person who snaps will just be dealt with.

I dunno. I see so little hope not just for America, because who cares about this shitty country specifically, but the world. Not dooming, btw, because I still know it can change, but I also see the current trajectory.

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