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Love it
Love teetering over the edge of nuclear annihilation
It's so cool that our leaders have the additude of sheltered children
I saw Terminator 2 at a fairly young age
The nightmare that Sara Connor has where she watches a nuke obliterate LA stuck with me
Like I would wake up screaming from having nightmares about it
How does anyone even feel comfortable even coming close to having that happen, let alone try and risk it?
People making the decisions think their bunkers are going to sustain them.
I'm afraid it's easy worse than that. They don't really believe they'll need their bunkers, they are so high on their own supply that they believe they will be protected simply by being exceptional Aryan Übermenschen.
My parents said that it sucked, but that we were fortunate to live in this time now that the USSR was gone 
Turns out USSR was the one keeping the world from nuclear annihilation
If this goes half as well as Vietnam, Mali, and Libya...
It went "well" in Libya, didn't it? For the French, yanks and NATO that is. Gaddafi was murdered, the country plunged into chaos and ruin
I guess it depends on how many refugees you want sailing paddle boats across the Mediterranean.
Refugees were never a problem for the ruling class, of this I am convinced. The "migrant crisis" have been overblown pretty heavily by the media, but even if it wasn't, and there were indeed droves upon droves of desperate people paddling to Europe's white shores - the bourgeoisie (who made them paddle in the first place) don't actually interact with them, nor are in danger of the potential criminal element among their ranks. If anything, they are profiting off of the desperation of the refugees and the panicking locals
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Just last week there was an article where 
was trying to posture but a bunch of other people in the french government clarified that all boots on the ground would be in support roles like demining and supply lines. They aren't going to do shit lol. At most 30k dumbasses will show up to be water boys to the azov for a week and then pack up and go on home. And it will be lauded by the press as the greatest french victory since they killed all the africans who fought for them.
I honestly hope you're right. I just didn't see the west as capable of fighting peer opponents.
France hasn't fought a peer opponent since it got its ass kicked in Vietnam afaik.
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These guys are going in to help defend Odessa I think. They already acknowledge they can be legitimately targeted by the Russian federation.
Even at the high end of a 60k multinational coalition, I don't get what that would achieve at this point in the war. Maybe if it was immediately after the first Russian offensive stalled, but two years in Russia now has a war economy. It has trade agreements for increasing numbers of drones and shells which it has refined through daily live fire against NATO vehicles, weapons, and tactics. Nothing within 70km of the frontline is safe from FABs and the Ukrainians squandered their chance to build defensive lines as they were mocking the Russians for doing so last year. They can shoot hypersonic missiles anywhere in the country, launch like 100+ daily sorties for FABs, and have a secure supply chain for their massive artillery advantage.
It's such WW1 logic to think that you can stop a fundamentally different kind of war by throwing another wave of obsolete troops into the meat grinder.
It's not so much about turning the tide at this point, it's about keeping the grinder fed
Maybe European rulers have come to the conclusion that they need to keep the meat grinder running in order to stabilise their regimes? The big bad Russian bogeyman has proven incredibly useful for distracting the public and justifying austerity, crackdown on dissent and expansion of the security state. If the war stops Putin will no longer be as scary and people might start to ask why their schools are falling apart or why their roads are full of potholes or why nothing is being done to avert climate disaster. They might demand some kind of peace dividend.
Pretty much
That and nothing is more profitable than a war
I still remember when they jacked up food prices and blamed it on the war
Even for things that didn't use any products farmed or made in Ukraine
It's the same level of strategic thinking as in low level MOBA games - one by oning into terrible fights and getting owned.
Nato confirmed bronzies
The west needs to farm side lanes in order to catch backup in econ before they fight for big objectives.
I don't like how in this analogy plundering the third world would be"farming the sidelanes"
"People would be so mad if they knew how many mercenaries were thrown away into this meatgrinder in gormless human wave attacks, surely they would demand we start throwing even more lives away into the meatgrinder! Will we ask for public approval? No, we're just gonna go with the tossing people into the meatgrinder idea, surely it's what they want. Well it's what we want, anyways, so that's what they're getting. Tossed into the meatgrinder for our vanity."
Something something, the savage European peninsula where life is cheap, something something brainpans, something something bloodthirsty scions of Mars.
foreign legion arrives
its half russian anyways
they decide to return to france through transsiberian railroad for memes
its half russian anyways
More the reason to send them - they know the language, can read documents and intercept radio chatter. Maybe even know the locale. There are already ethnic Russian and just Russian speaking units in AFU, so there is precedent
Media bluff, if the Russians fall for this nonsense it's honestly on them
I really hope you are right. Sadly, I don't think World War III is off the table in our lifetime. Not doom posting; I just think it's within the realm of possibility, and that alone is very concerning. Not saying even if the French deploy, it's World War III, just that should it happen, it would be a further step on the path of escalation.
The western media may be high on copium, but every single western military is perfectly aware what a bloodbath the war is for Ukrainian troops
The French elites aren't going to press the button labeled "most dead French soldiers since WW2" not over Ukraine
This is really an example of the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing, while half the media is decrying the retention shortfalls of European armies the other half is pumping its chest out and asserting Macron is about to send the Imperial Guard reborn into the guns of massed Russian artillery
It's not just Ukraine, mind you. America's stance towards the PRC has gotten more aggressive as well. It seems like people in some circles of the US government almost want a war with China. I do agree that France would get fucked hard if they deployed their 30,000 to 60,000 men. At the very least, it would serve as a reality check when thousands of soldiers come home in body bags.
Historians might even say WWIII started in 2014 or 2011 or 2003.
Western historians still consider 1939 to be the start of WW2 despite the other half of the world starting it years earlier
WWIII started in 1991 
I think it's a half truth; France will continue to send troops but
- they will not do any fighting, maybe "training" or advising
Or
- they will be sending troops to actually fight, but they will add an additional 100-200 people on the front line.
This is not a bluff. I predict they are being sent to defend Odessa. The only question is Russia willing to take Odessa knowing that it will be targeting French troops directly. This is the point where leftists in my opinion should start to think about criticizing the Russian war effort and I say that as probably one of the wars biggest advocates on the site.
I’ve been calling this. The Europeans are not playing around. My only question is are they acting within the United States direction or not. Keep in mind that from the Europeans perspective the Americans have pulled massive amounts of money out.
There have been euro troops in theater for pretty much the entire conflict. They're doing shit on the back end (and also running euro missile defense gear) that doesn't place them in direct combat, the idea being that they're freeing up Ukrainians to go be killed by artillery rather than repair vehicles, move hardware, etc. I think this is just big-talking sending French troops to do the same thing.
I know Europeans have been in theater the entire conflict but they’ve been acting as foreign fighters. Also the amount of surveillance equipment in Ukraine means that unless you’re in protected nato territory then you are not doing shit on the back end. Ukrainian rear lines are actively being hit constantly. Being part of missile defense is being a combatant.
This however is different, they’re not talking about foreign French fighter (of which there are already many of in Ukraine. Russia killed 60 of them recently) they’re talking about French troops I assume in French uniform. My theory is they are going in to protect Odessa. Basically to act as a shield for Ukraines last port. The French already acknowledged if they send troops they will be legitimate targets for Russia. They’re wanting to see if Russia is willing to fire on nato troops. Problem is Russia has already said they’re prepared to fight NATO. From my perspective this war either ends with Russia allowing Ukraine to keep Odessa or this broadens into an actual war between Russia and whatever European nations decide to follow France’s lead. The Germans are already making plans to take down the Crimea bridge.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65245065
According to the document, dated 23 March, the UK has the largest contingent of special forces in Ukraine (50), followed by fellow Nato states Latvia (17), France (15), the US (14) and the Netherlands (1).
There have been official western troops not operating as mercenaries in Ukraine for quite some time
The document does not say where the forces are located or what they are doing.
This is the part that makes all the difference in the world. Even though we all know special operations forces are acting in Ukraine, unless you can prove they’re taking orders directly from their respective nations they are no different from a foreign fighter. Throw in the fact that Ukraine is wearing western uniforms themselves there is no way to distinguish an SAS or Green Beret operative from a Ukrainian. This is what makes Macrons troop comment significant. These will be known French troops out in the open taking orders from France.
Keep in mind that from the Europeans perspective the Americans have pulled massive amounts of money out.
I don't think they've comprehended that yet
oui oui monsieur a second baguette has hit the Eiffel Tower
Extremely drunk Orson Welles voice:
"AhhhhhhHHH the French"
All bark and no bite
If they do this it has to be the French Foreign Legion. It won't cause many domestic issues and they don't have family connections in France so if they all die it won't matter to anyone there.
It’ll also be a good propaganda push. “Look at these epic tactical operators from all ethnicities and backgrounds united against the ruzzians! We shall honor their sacrifice and make them posthumous citizens!”
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OH LE MERDE! 
Without their daily wine rations, they'll collapse faster than an improperly baked soufflé
True or merely a bluff, escalating things in this way did just that - escalate the conflict. Who knew?
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