Not to rain on this parade, but the EU took forever to sanction even fucking russia, and even that never became a complete cut in trade.
True but it did take a lot less civilian casualties. Israel has killed more than three times the amount of civilians as Russia so far, percentually far more children.
True but it did take a lot less civilian casualties.
And so ? Are the civilians from Ukraine less worth than the civilians from Gaza ? What is the number at which the EU should do something then ?
I think you’re misinterpreting their point, europe may be slow to react, but they will. It is now past the level of civilian casualties, so the point about saying europe is slow is correct, but the tone of hopelessness is hollow.
Of course not. The point of sanctions should be that when the war crimes get so bad the comes financial pressure to stop doing them.
I agree. But the problem is to understand who is committing a war crime. In this situation, by the international laws, both side are committing a war crime, technically. So, who we should hit with the sanctions ?
By international law only israel has committed a war crime as it condones resistance against occupation by any means necessary.
Also the israeli blockade on Palestine is one of the most flagrant violations of humanitarian law and already "sanctions" Palestinians.
By international law only israel has committed a war crime as it condones resistance against occupation by any means necessary.
By international laws, also fighting without an uniform is a crime.
By international laws, you must not use human shields.
The Geneva convention also stipulate that if you don't apply it with me, you have no right to ask to be applied to you.
So, we are still sure that only one side is committing a war crime ? If not, why not ask also to the other side to respect the international laws.
And if we decide this is not a war but an act of terrorism, why we should ask to the victim side (in this specific occasion) to respect a law that do not apply to the situation and let the offending side to do what it want ? Only because they are playing dirty ?
Also the israeli blockade on Palestine is one of the most flagrant violations of humanitarian law and already “sanctions” Palestinians.
Gaza has a border with Egypt and, as far as I know, Israel cannot do anything to close this border (aside attacking Egypt of course). So, at the minimum, we should also punish Egypt for blocking the Palestinians.
The Geneva convention also stipulate that if you don’t apply it with me, you have no right to ask to be applied to you.
See the funny part here is that israel is the party that has ignored international law for the last 75 years. We're doing some weird history reversal here by saying that it's the Palestinians fault for not following it.
If israel had followed international law there would have never been retaliation from Gaza.
we should also punish Egypt for blocking the Palestinians.
We do not of course. As we personally supply Egypt with weapons and billions in loans to keep their corrupt government in power to help israel surpress the Palestinians and the rest of the Egyptian population. Sisi is an American puppet.
See the funny part here is that israel is the party that has ignored international law for the last 75 years. We’re doing some weird history reversal here by saying that it’s the Palestinians fault for not following it.
I think that here both parts had always ignored international's laws, so maybe we must begin to think that to solve the problem we must held accountable both parts (and I am not discussing who is guilty).
If israel had followed international law there would have never been retaliation from Gaza.
Against someone who political program and reason to exist is to destroy you ? How ?
Against someone who political program and reason to exist is to destroy you ? How ?
Their reason to destroy israel is because it oppresses them. Palestinians have very clearly shown to be open to negotiations. These get shut down by israel because israel wants to expand their Lebensraum.
Case in point is the West Bank where peaceful Palestinians consistently get terrorized by israel. And Hamas is now starting to grow there.
This might come as a surprise but almost nobody is going to risk their lives fighting when they are not being oppressed.
Their reason to destroy israel is because it oppresses them. Palestinians have very clearly shown to be open to negotiations. These get shut down by israel because israel wants to expand their Lebensraum.
So, about 20 years ago Israel left voluntarily the Gaza strip and give it to Palestinian, on the understanding that there will be peace, the Palestinian elect Hamas but somehow it is still Israel fault for being the oppressor.
This might come as a surprise but almost nobody is going to risk their lives fighting when they are not being oppressed.
The only problem is that Israel offered a peaceful way out, Hamas refused it. So now Palestinians have basically 2 choices: to be killed while being used as a human shields by their own people or help IDF to fight Hamas, with the risk of being killed but the possibility to build a better future for themself.
What do you mean "left Gaza"?
Last time I checked there is a giant concentration camp wall around Gaza and they cannot have their own airport. And israel is blockading their sea.
Unfortunately, there's a decent chance that Germany will prevent that.
Germany will prevent that
Depends on what specifically that is.
Not every EU decisions needs to be unanimous anymore.
Foreign policy decision need to though and sanctions are such decisions. However sanctions against the settlers on the West Bank are already in place and Germany voted for them.
I suppose, I should have worded that differently.
Yes, suspending the trade agreement mentioned in the article seems to require unanimity and would likely be blocked by Germany.
There might be other measures that the EU could implement where that is not the case.
Though I admit that I have no specific idea what that could be.
Good to know.
The EU along with the USA has always been complicit in the suffering of Palestinians, they're not going to stop now. That's why it just rings hollow every time they condemn Russian brutality in Ukraine.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The European Union should suspend its trade and institutional ties with Israel to deter war crimes that amount to genocide in the Gaza Strip, the UN's special rapporteur on Palestine has said.
In the end, this is not an option, it's an obligation because Article 2 of that association agreement foresees the suspension in case of violations of human rights," she added.
A recent initiative by the leaders of Ireland and Spain calling on the European Commission to suspend the EU-Israel agreement has been met with resistance by other member states eager to uphold the bloc's stance of solidarity with Israel.
She also said EU leaders need to take more concrete counter-measures against Israel, including revoking diplomatic recognition and targeted sanctions on government officials.
He said that drone manufacturers providing their technology to Israel's Armed Forces have received funds from the EU's Horizon Europe project, a claim recently corroborated in an analysis by two independent monitors, Statewatch and Informationsstelle Militarisierung (IMI).
"It's shameful that the European Union is still buying and selling arms to Israel that are being used in combat, that are falling on the heads of Palestinian children in the Gaza Strip," MEP Pineda said.
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