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submitted 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) by FlakesBongler@hexbear.net to c/movies@hexbear.net

I'm gonna spoil the movie, so if you care, it's probably best if you stop reading here because I'm not putting the entire thing in spoiler tags

So, long story short, Civil War is a beautifully made film that's also cowardly and disappointing

The cinematography is great, the sound is excellent, but the movie lacks something very important, an actual message

If the movie is supposed to be about truth and journalism and its importance, that never comes through, instead it feels very much like "The Troops are Brave: Camera Edition"

Because at no point in the film does the actual work journalists do comes up, instead you're treated to scene after scene of our protagonists taking pictures of war and atrocities, but never actually saying anything about it, which seems to be the tack the film itself is taking

That war is bad, but never bothering to explore the how's and why's of the conflict

The most hints we get as to why the president is bad is a mention that he has a third term (gasp) and ordered air strikes on civilians

Which, uh, I suppose is enough for some people, but the vociferousness with which the forces of the aptly named Western Forces pursue and execute the president suggest something far more interesting, which the movie could not even be bothered to even try and explore

To make a film about the United States becoming balkanized without bothering to even offer a smidgen of backstory as to its causes or even into the politics of the sides only serves to make the film a hollow shell

We're left with nothing to the film, and it seems like they're not even bothered by that, which is an absolute shame because they could have at least tried to say something

Instead, they chose very hard to say absolutely nothing, which only makes the apathy all the worse

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[-] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 30 points 6 months ago

the president bombing civilians has never been a catalyst for change before not even when theyve bombed american civilians so why would that be different in this movie? like, im sorry, the president could order troops to fire on people and half the country would rabidly support it

[-] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 15 points 6 months ago

Exactly

Like we see nothing but animosity towards the president, but nobody acts like they were actually affected by him or his policies

Even the troops who execute him just do it without so much as a sneer or even spitting at him

It's weird

[-] MonkeyBanana@hexbear.net 26 points 6 months ago

You should’ve watched dune 2 or people joker

[-] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 19 points 6 months ago

In retrospect yes

But it was a spur of the moment thing

[-] MonkeyBanana@hexbear.net 19 points 6 months ago

I wish that was me

[-] Dolores@hexbear.net 19 points 6 months ago

i'd really hoped that they'd lean into the dumb shit a bit but it seems like it won't even be fun to make fun of

[-] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 26 points 6 months ago

The only fun bit is when Joel (the guy who I suspect becomes Alex Garland's mouthpiece) says something along the lines of "Southern boys or Portland Maoists, they're all the same"

Which, what?

[-] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 6 points 6 months ago

damn the portland maosists get all the recognition

no love for our tampa bay maoists

[-] LibsEatPoop@hexbear.net 18 points 6 months ago

Yeah, on a technical level, the film was absolutely brilliant. Probably one of the best I've ever seen. But the actual story was so weak, which, given the actual subject matter it covers, is super disappointing. I knew going in it wasn't going to be any good so I went with zero expectations on that front - I'd seen the trailers, the interview with the director, and seen some reviews already.

But if I'd actually gone in expecting an actual message or, you know, substance beyond style, I'd have been super pissed. In the end, I could just enjoy the film and the characters and have a good time. Still, I didn't pay full price and I'd tell others the same - go see it if you want to see great sound design and amazing cinematography, along with some genuinely thrilling scenes. But try and get some discounts - half-price, matinee pricing etc.

[-] whatup@hexbear.net 14 points 6 months ago

Ngl, the political ambiguity reminded me of that Pepsi commercial with Kendall Jenner. Lots of angry dissidents fighting for vague causes. Also the Antifa Massacre bit made me laugh. Still not sure if that film was supposed to be wholly serious or a parody of war movies.

[-] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 8 points 6 months ago

You could tell that it was meant to be serious

The only moment that made me laugh was when Jesse Plemons has the stage directions of Exit stage left, pursued by a car

[-] whatup@hexbear.net 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

You could tell that it was meant to be serious

That’s kinda depressing. I thought maybe the movie killed off almost all its main characters of color plus a bunch of non-white extras as some tongue-and-cheek meta-commentary on white savior war narratives. The cliches were just so in-your-face.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Is the message not "division is bad and we should not be divided because this will happen otherwise" ?

The civil war itself sounds like it's a disaster movie, as if civil wars are forces of nature like a volcano is. The message is then simply "prevent this disaster".

[-] Antiwork@hexbear.net 12 points 6 months ago

I don’t even see that. Like the movie doesn’t make the civil war seem like a bad thing. Just a thing that is happening. I could see liberals taking that from the movie, but nothing in there says the war that’s happening is bad. In fact the president gets mocked by one of the propagandists and then shot in the end. You could argue the movie actually takes the side of the secessionists.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 8 points 6 months ago

I haven't seen it, I am speculating / asking you.

[-] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 4 points 6 months ago

you know, that's interesting

i think in some wars, those you read first-hand accounts of, happen like that. for those caught up in it the inevitability of it seemed so obvious and now its happening. it's not good or bad or anything they just have to deal with it now

of course people are not monolithic and not everyone would feel this way but certainly many did

[-] WeedReference420@hexbear.net 10 points 6 months ago

My head canon is that the President is actually Nick Offerman who ran third party for the Epic Bacon, Whiskey and Woodworking Party and then the power went to his head but I think that's just my brain automatically filling in the gaps in the worldbuilding.

[-] Antiwork@hexbear.net 8 points 6 months ago

The best parts Portland Maoists get a shot out and the White House gets an actual insurrection. The sound is also the best gun Fire and explosions I have ever heard from a movie.

[-] sqw@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 6 months ago

havent seen it but that sure as hell sounds like an alex garland joint to me. cool concept to draw people in but then offensively stupid

[-] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 6 points 6 months ago

There's a scene at the tail end of the movie where the young tagalong photographer (Jessie) jumps out of cover, hoping to get a shot of the president

Unfortunately, the few remaining Secret Service agents start opening fire, so the older photographer(Lee) jumps out to push her out of the way, taking the barrage instead, while the younger one takes a picture of her hero dying

The scene is supposed to be a callback to when Jessie asked Lee if Lee would take pictures of her if she were shot and Lee said "Yes"

The problem is that the way it's filmed, it looks like Lee shoves Jessie out of the way and just stands there to get shot

Not that she was actively being shot, or couldn't get out of the way, but just chooses to be shot

I suppose that moment was trying to say something, but as my partner so poignantly put it "Why the fuck didn't she just tackle her out of the way?"

[-] FungiDebord@hexbear.net 6 points 6 months ago
[-] FungiDebord@hexbear.net 5 points 6 months ago

Two Suicide tracks? Maybe Garland should khs.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 5 points 6 months ago

I wasn't expecting much but i was expecting more than an aesthetic "do not do the cool thing"

[-] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 5 points 6 months ago

I legitimately can't process how disconnected from reality you'd have to be to think this movie was intellectually poignant

[-] stigsbandit34z@hexbear.net 3 points 6 months ago

It stressed me out and gave me anxiety so I have to give credit there

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