Every single time a thread in this comm gets attention in other parts of Hexbear, we get a whole slew of carnists trying to debatelord us, if not just coming in to spray chud-tier anti-vegan diarrhea. Oftentimes, they then go on to claim that we provoked them by doing things like "being visibly vegan" or "talking about the processes by which animal products are made." One went so far as to complain to the admins and try to get me demodded for enforcing rule 2. After repeatedly harassing and attacking us in our own community, they then complain that we're aggressive and confrontational.

They'll often try to deflect, saying that they're fine with veganism but that we're being too hardline in arguing for it. This, of course, is complete nonsense, and a tactic used by every hegemonic ideology in existence (see: Zionists claiming that "from the river to the sea" is antisemitic). Their goal isn't to get you to advocate for your beliefs in the best way possible, it's to tone police you out of being able to publicly express your positions at all.

Carnists have won and continue to win everywhere, and that still isn't enough for them. Every society eats meat, every industrial society tortures and kills animals for luxury products on a massive scale, we're forced to pay for the meat industry with our tax dollars, intrusive and obnoxious advertisements for burgers and chicken wings and other animal products assault us from TV, billboards, the internet, street signs - evidence of carnists' total victory at every level of society. But a tiny, largely powerless segment of the populace saying "hey, isn't this kind of messed up?" is enough to make them go DEFCON 1 and fly into a frothing rage as if they were manning the walls of the last slaughterhouse on Earth.

anti-vegan-leftism is an oxymoron

They literally just throw darts at a board about what -ism veganism is to justify their habits. It's all post-hoc justifications to avoid doing self-crit or changing their behavior, it's meaningless nonsense. You can twist basically any two concepts together if you're motivated enough and don't care about whether it's remotely grounded in reality or reason. It's literally no different from transphobes trying to justify their positions by coming up with convoluted scenarios that pit trans rights against the rights of cis women, or people like Dave Chapelle trying to characterize being trans as a white thing. Those types of "arguments" categorically deserve nothing but PPB. I absolutely detest the weaponizing of language intended to oppose bigotry used to justify awful positions, and if people did this in any other context they'd rightfully be dunked on.

there's always this "no ethical consumption under capitalism" shit

Skyrim loading screen tip: if your argument sounds like something Vaush might say to justify possessing CSAM, your argument is probably, uhh, kinda shit.

ableism, classism, and racism

Who would win: the wealth of freely-available information about the intersections of veganism with class, race, and disability at one's fingertips at any time, or the promise of a bucket of KFC?

There are barriers that keep me from yet wholly ending my use of animal products, barriers related to class and disability, so these people would be "talking about me"... But ffs to blame an inaccessible society on the people actually trying to change that society is just absolutely nonsensical. It's treating the weight of the institutions of capitalism subsidizing a cruel and unsustainable killing machine as equal to the weight of people challenging that system and "hurting feelings" in the process.

Call me a baby,

To call you a baby would be to call you untainted by society's teaching to endure excesses so long as excesses are sufferable, or to idly watch injustices as if one does not care.

that video sailed above my wildest expectations for how much psychic damage could fit in 1.5 minutes.

smarmy tone, complete bullshit information (no food waste is not the majority of animal feed).

I hope that person gets eaten.