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Cops cars burned in Portland for Palestinian protest support (hexbear.net)

submitted 6 months ago by HexbearGPT@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

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[-] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 29 points 6 months ago

Cool, but how can you think the parties in the United States are communist in any sense of the word?

[-] ziggurter@hexbear.net 18 points 6 months ago

Probably why there's a capital C.

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[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 26 points 6 months ago

Try not to be too offended, comrades. Don't take the bait. I know some of you have had legitimately bad experiences with some anarchists, and please trust that some anarchists have had legitimately bad experiences with some communists. As someone who kind of straddles both communities, I still think we can all learn from each other and we should look for more opportunities to appreciate what each side is good at doing.

[-] Sons_of_Ferrix@hexbear.net 15 points 6 months ago

I'll be honest, this is an issue I kind of predicted with the "anti-sectarianism" rule. Yes some people are sectarian for sectarianism's sake but that's not always the case. It's easier to be non-sectarian when there's nothing really important to be sectarian over. That that there's MAYBE a faint chance of an actual left movement getting off the ground we run into the problem that there are actual disagreements over important stuff. If one sect wants to do A and another sect wants to do B and A and B are incompatible, there's going to be strong disagreements. We sadly can't always just get along.

[-] Babs@hexbear.net 25 points 6 months ago

Portland May Day saw MLs, Maoists, Anti-revisionists, and even DSA Socdems organizing and marching together under one big red tent. That's some good antisectarianism.

[-] Sons_of_Ferrix@hexbear.net 18 points 6 months ago

Popular fronts are great when they can happen, my point is it's not like sectarianism is always over petty shit. Sometimes disagreements are actually meaningful. The Bolsheviks had actual reasons for breaking with the mensheviks.

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[-] Maoo@hexbear.net 22 points 6 months ago

There's no such thing as peaceful protesters when every protest is indiscriminately labelled as violent (and antisemitic!) because there's a chall drawing on the ground.

And there can be no such thing as our escalation when every protest is met with incredible police violence and often federal charges.

The state will escalate whenever it wants to and it feels threatened not because some cop cars are burned but because it sees a people's movement as being in direct opposition to the material interests of the class it serves, is of, and is funed by. It doesn't really need a seemingly valid excuse, it can invent one from thin air. Throughout the US, over the last local election cycle, there were candidates (who were then elected) on raising police budgets because the police had been defundee. The only problem is, they weren't defunded. The state wanted more money for cops at the behest of the chamber of commerce so it latched onto something and made some shit up and it worked.

The risk of adventurism is not that the state will have an excuse to escalate, it's that the wider public may be alienated by it rather than have a chance to recognize the role played by capital and the state. If a small group decides to blow up commuter rail train tracks to disrupt white collar workers' participation in the military industrial complex, it's unlikely to be understood that way by the general public unless they've already been long innoculated against that.

I guess there's another risk: your comrades getting arrested and/or killed. That's actually important as well as there are not very many of us. We always need to do a reality check on what we hope to accomplish vs. what we risk. The system to which we are opposed does such monstrous things that many of us begin to feel a sense of selfless opposition, but it is important to recognize that five years of good organizing is much more valuable than punching a single cop.

Anyways I'm ranting and not really arguing against you. Just wanted to add context for how to think about adventurism.

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[-] DyingOfDeBordom@hexbear.net 22 points 6 months ago

so many nerds arguing whether or not this is adventurism and whether adventurism helps when we could simply be going "incredibly based" and leave it at that

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[-] DengistDonnieDarko@hexbear.net 20 points 6 months ago

With comrades like these, who needs enemies anyways :yea: