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Real bloomer hours who up, smash that upbear if you've been playing through 40 years of incredible video games bloomer

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[-] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Gonna keep it a buck: I haven't been happy or upbeat about this field ever since FPS turned its back on future-industrial weapons and aesthetic grime for "the seven-fucking-teenth iteration of the same-assed AK, M16, P90, and MP5 and fucking multicam"; and it only got worse when fighting games decided to go the battlepass route. I was a child of Quake and Unreal, and that just... Doesn't happen anymore. I spend more time in Minecraft than anything else at this point just because of how shit the dark pattern tactics have become in the genres that raised me.

[-] Beetle_O_Rourke@hexbear.net 3 points 6 months ago

Quake Champions and Quake live are still nominally active if you remember how to circle jump.

I never learned how to b2r but have ~300h between the two.

[-] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I go back to QL every so often despite no longer being able to remember how to movement in Quake (I was always heavier on UT due to the weapons and map aesthetics), but I never touched QC; always looked WAY too close to 'hero shooter' for me to be interested. Unreal Championship 2 did hero shooter ability mechanics in arena FPS way more tolerably than QC did from the gameplay I've seen of the latter. You can't imagine the things I'd do for a solid UC reboot.

[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 2 points 6 months ago

decided to go the battlepass route

My comrade, this entire video is about ignoring that sort of game.

I see and feel your pain from the untimely death of Unreal Tournament 4.

howeverMultiplayer is a scourge and the entire reason games are in this monetised live service mess, good riddance!!!! Quake and Unreal were both singleplayer games that got coopted!!!

[-] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I amend myself, then: I was raised by Quake 3 Arena and Unreal Tournament 2004. Trying to go back to those single-players even in the moment when those were still popping actually never captured me; I get precious little out of shooting AI. Maybe when I was a kid clearing my way through Doom 1, 2, and Plutonia; but that was more 'practice for competing there' even then. Competition's been in my blood since MK2(and maybe inadvisably, I was introduced to that at the age of 6), so no cap hearing you say "multiplayer is a scourge, good riddance" sets my teeth on edge and makes me wonder if discourse with you on this subject is even worth the effort spent.

[-] PoisonIvy@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 6 months ago

I don’t think it’s quite fair to say multiplayer games are the cause of things like ranking modes and battle passes and vbucks. Might as well say we took a wrong turn at high scores; quarters were the original mtx.

[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Oh so you're why the other person(different reply) is getting mad about people saying arcade games are MTX!!!! I see!

But look right, you can't really effectively monetise a single player game that way, it's always some kind of mmo thing no matter how they spin it. It's more that multiplayer has always been an instinct of devs it seems, and it can't coexist with singleplayer games healthily under capitalism when publishers could be bringing out a Battlefront II or an Apex Legends.

[-] PoisonIvy@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I was being a bit flippant with the arcade microtransactions thing. My point is really that multiplayer does not a priori mean capitalist degradation any more than any other thing existing in capitalism does. Pretty much every gacha game is single player to my knowledge.

I’ll be frank and say modern gaming has not captured my interest in at least a decade and continues to fail to do so. I don’t know anything about battlefront or apex legends. I won’t go as far as to say this is prescriptive of anything but I think it’s at least worth earnestly analyzing why this seems to be such a phenomenon now- call me lazy, I guess. It must go deeper than nostalgia. Plenty of games were bad when I was younger, still.

[-] Red_sun_in_the_sky@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago

I still just play doom. I recently played dusk which is kind of quake like but not really. It did a great job with the look and feel. I just stick to old stuff. Like doom or serious sam.

[-] mamotromico@lemmy.ml 8 points 6 months ago

I 100% agree with this video. I’m constantly baffled by how many people insist on playing shit like D4 or starfield when I can find a better game launched any day of the year just by looking at steam new releases.

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 8 points 6 months ago

I pirated Starfield exclusively so I could be involved in The Discourse™️

[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 3 points 6 months ago
[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 2 points 6 months ago

Probably not, but that's also true of a lot of games I like lol.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago

Scalding hot take: Starfield is a better RPG than anything Bethesda has released since Morrowind, but the world is by far the weakest. I actually enjoyed a lot of Starfield, but overall it's nothing compared to its contemporaries like BG3.

[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 1 points 6 months ago

I refuse to accept this because Fallout 3 should be a more fun sandbox shooter and Oblivion should be a better RPG, Starfailed is just another Fallout 4 with huge parts of RPG torn out skyrim style :/

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago

Like I said, it's a scalding take. I think the backgrounds added a lot over Oblivion IMO.

[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 2 points 6 months ago

CP2077pilled backgroundmaxxer friend-visitor-2 Oblivion should have had backgrounds tbf, Daggerfall did

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago

100% agree, haha. Corpo Female V is the best way to play V, both the actress and the background are the most thematically appropriate IMO

[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 2 points 6 months ago
[-] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 6 points 6 months ago

Might want to remove the "si" part of your URL since it's a tracking/share id

[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 9 points 6 months ago

Shit thanks, I'm usually good about that. Serves me right for not getting the link off Newpipe or w/e

[-] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 6 points 6 months ago

No prob!

I have to say that having a kid really help reset how I approach computer games. Having a lot less free time makes you really scrutinize the free time you do have, plus taking a few years away from playing games really helps to break out of the hype cycle.

[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 3 points 6 months ago

I have been hearing that same argument for over 10 years about how modern gaming totally doesn't suck now compared with what we had during the 90s because there are more games released now than ever^TM^. This is easily countered by a simple analogy: if I give someone a bag of shit with a gold nugget and each subsequent bag of shit I give them has a smaller and smaller gold nugget inside, the gamer apologia for modern gaming is that person going "uh aktually, the amount of gold I have is ever increasing, so it's good acktually" never mind that the pile of shit is ever increasing and increasing at a faster rate to boot.

Like, the Youtuber more or less summarize what people mean when they say "modern gaming sucks" in his massive comment. If you need to spend an hour of research reading summaries and watching unedited lets plays of the game in question, you're already conceding the point. Back in the day, you could just grab some random game off the shelf like this Genesis port of an arcade game of a bizarre RPG-platformer hybrid and had a good time. Is this game good by modern standards? Not really unless you really like platformers. Still, it's still cool how they tried to (haphazardly) incorporate character progression into a platformer (modern platformers do this by being Metroidvanias), but if you're judging by the standards of the 90s, it's a unique gem. How about the more famous Genesis game Ecco the Dolphin? It's some kind of bizarre puzzle platformer-kinda (its genre as a platformer is disputed since gravity doesn't play a significant role in the game and you mostly stay underwater), not all that dissimilar to a modern indie platformer but a unique gem by the standards of its time.

There's absolutely no modern equivalent of seeing Doom 1 for the first time or seeing Mario64 for the first time or being completely swept in the Gen 1 craze or living during the golden age of RTS. Back in my day, we would play games that give rise or popularize entire genres like Doom or C&C. Something like SFII completely change how the genre looks to the point where pre-SFII fighting games don't register like fighting games for most people. How many new genres have come out since 2010? Trash tier MOBAs? Spiritual successor of Harvest Moon clones? Soullikes?

And don't get me started about the death of arcade games ("uh aktually, arcade tokens are the microtransactions of the 80s and 90s" shut the fuck up and sit in the kiddie table. The death of arcades meant the death of third spaces catered towards gaming and LAN cafes are such a poor alternative) or how the gaming community is filled with reactionaries which G*mergate completely sealed the deal or how most gamers are just addicts, whether it's people playing L*ague despite hating every minute of it or people getting anxiety from their massive Steam backlog that they'll never finish because they keep on compulsively buying Steam deals or whales blowing thousands of dollars on jpg of underage waifus.

Sorry for being so negative. That recent Hexbear post about someone getting anxiety from looking at their Steam backlog set me off. You shouldn't have to feel anxiety or feel angry or do work for a fucking hobby. Anxiety? Anger? I get anxiety and angry from work which I endure for the sake of getting paid. But for my hobbies? Fuck that. Work? Last time I checked, if I'm doing work outside of my normal work schedule, that's called overtime, and if I'm not getting overtime pay, you could kiss my ass.

[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 6 points 6 months ago

I think you're doin a lot of projection here.

[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I guess I'm just frustrated that in the 10+ year since I first got involved in gaming discourse^TM^ on /r/truegaming, it's always the same arguments for modern gaming apologists. Play indies instead of AAA, avoid games with matchmaking, gacha games don't count as real games, number of good games on Steam go up, arcade quarters were microtransactions of the 80s and 90s. And of course, the ever present "yOur JuSt BlInDeD bY nOsTaLgIa."

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago

One of my favorite gaming videos of recent years. Indies are incredible, and oldies are fantastic too.

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