There’s poo in the rivers and it’s now going to be illegal to be homeless, did I wake up in the past?
I think it’s time the Conservative Party had a rebrand because they really don’t seem to be conserving much these days. Except for established wealth that is.
They should rename themselves to "The Radically Regressive Party"
How and terry from the american colonies, I hear in the past the french found a solution to this.
The French still have a solution to this. If Brits were more on board with damaging property we'd get more done.
If you want to go and start a riot be my guest. But in no way shape or form will it help with the current situation. So really you're just starting to riot because you want one.
I don't think sitting and suffering (the english way) is to be applauded either, and since we have tentative control of our democracy, I'm not sure what other meaningful options we have
what. you want them to raise taxes just to do better water source management. Preposterous!
As yes, because that will solve poverty. Bring back debtors prison I say, and we'll party like it's 1824!
people can finally be truly hung over again.
That's not what the quote you posted says, it says it tackles that two things, not that it makes them illegal.
It does mention some things that are to be made criminal offences right before this bit though, to trick people into posting such headlines, I suspect.
This whole thing sucks anyway, but I think we could use some clarity on exactly what will be made illegal?
Oh I think you're right actually -- it looks like from the PDF that they will be issued notices
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/58-04/0010/230010.pdf
Still, this is the UK, so I claim "slippery slope".
🙄 or like, you could admit you were wrong, remove the propaganda, and not resort to your head cannon 🤷♂️
Seems extremely reasonable for dealing with aggressive homeless individuals.
"aggressive homeless individuals"
There it is.
There's the problem.
You're assuming this will be used when needed, and not used in excess, trampling down people who are already underfoot.
All cops are bastards, no exceptions for location.
If they CAN abuse a law, they WILL abuse it. At every opportunity.
I know. There are issues with the police, so now we can't have laws on the books either. Despite circumstances many homeless don't take no for an answer and threaten people. There needs to be a law to detain those people. That's regardless of the help they will or wont get or accept before or after.
Yep you can have the laws.
By keeping them precise in what they allow police to apply.
When the gov use terms like nuisance. It is intentionally verge.
If its about aggressive begging or homelessness. Define it as such. Don't intentionally leave it to a stressed officer to decide.
but you'll leave your not-factual headline up?
forgot, fixed, cheers
Slippery slope? All it does is provide an enforcement option for orgs who don't want people begging on their property.
you don't see that as an avenue for more and more orgs to do this by default, and given the lack of public spaces in our cities, essentially making it impossible to beg anywhere?
Bro wtf are you on about? There's tons of public spaces in the UK, cities included.
At least where I live, you'll be hard pressed to find a spot in the city where a homeless person can sleep unnacosted, either by spikes being put down on flat surfaces, parks being closed at night, and benches that aren't on a main road.
I don't think you've ever been to the UK. Most of those "public" spaces are corporate property and if you and your homelessness damage their brand they'll escort you off.
The homeless camps on high street ken during the pandemic had this happen to them all the time, as if the cruel irony of rough sleepers next to wholefoods and dyson shit blower 3k ads wasn't enough to make humanity unevolve powered solely by cringe alone and let trilobites, or some particularly feisty proto-moss take the top spot instead.
I've lived up and down the UK for nearly 30 years. In both the north and the south you can basically bump into public spaces that can be used by the homeless. Just because your city ain't got them doesn't mean it's the same for the rest of the UK.
lived north and south
So have I and your "can" gives away that you don't actually know, you're just assuming so.
My "can" includes infrastructure that I've actually seen being used by the homeless and setups that can feasibly be used by the homeless.
Stop pulling things out of your ass. It doesn't make your argument stronger.
Ah yes the classic strategy for when you get caught pulling stuff out of your ass: accuse the other person of doing the same, the wordier equivalent of simply going "no u".
You can stop now, it's just embarrassing
Well, you pulled out of your ass that I've never been to the UK when I lived there for nearly 30 years, you pulled out of your ass that I've never actually seen public infrastructure being used by the homeless, which I obviously have given how long I've lived there.
So now that we've established that my accusations of you pulling stuff out of your ass is well founded, do you have anything to say that isn't an attempt at setting up a straw man or 'no u'?
Soon to be frowned upon
Better than illegal, which it currently is
Also nuisance begging is defined as:
begging where it is causing a public nuisance, such as by a cashpoint, in a shop doorway, on public transport, approaching people in their cars at traffic lights, and any broader incidence that cause harassment or distress
I'd personally say that's ok to try and get people to move along from - it's completely anecdotal but at least in Central London it's often the most aggressive beggars who you also see doing hard drugs come night, having honed their techniques after years due to the even higher difficulty of getting out of homelessness while addicted as well as the increased difficulty of building a support structure or getting temporary accommodation while addicted. That means just enforcing this law would do little other than probably increase pickpocketing, as the government needs to intervene at the root cause rather than symptoms, however it's still generally not people who are being honest who are doing what is defined here as nuisance begging so even if support structures were in place it should be a crime, while begging and sleeping rough aren't.
I wouldn't be sleeping so rough if you weren't spraying mace in my eye
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