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When you're shipping pigs from central europe to the pacific ocean in 2024 to put down an indigenous sovereignty revolt your country needs to go.
I wonder if these pigs ever wonder what the fuck they're doing over there.
I don't think they ever developed the ability to wonder
Yea i guess that's part of the reason they ended up as pigs.
How come European countries still, after centuries, can't face that lands well outside their reach have a right to go their own way?
If you dare mention Catalunya/Ceuta/Melilla, or probably the worst case, the Canary islands, you'll get the weirdest look from any Spaniard as well. Even centuries after losing territories in America, they still can't wrap their minds around a concept as simple as this.
It's because western economies are built on the exploitation of the colonized countries. Admitting that colonization is happening and allowing these countries self determination would result in a massive drop in living standards in the west.
As somebody who is pretty ignorant of the region and theory as regards multinationalism vs national self-determination, the Spanish system (within the Iberian landmass, saying nothing of the obvious historical exploitation relations with regard to overseas occupations) of "autonomous communities" superficially appears relatively progressive. Now, when we factor in that the side seeking further autonomy or independence is often left-aligned and struggling against a bourgeois dictatorship deeply ensconced in EU institutions, the case for support is clear. But on the other hand vulgar support for "national self-determination" is an imperial instrument of the liberal order that is selectively used to empower ultranationalists against multinational or pluralistic systems, as seen in Xinjiang, Yugoslavia, the USSR cases.
So I guess I'm asking, outside the scope of exploitation of one people by another and the superstructure (e.g., racialisation of an underclass) that emerges from this, what are the cases for supporting independence movements? And is there any recommended theory on this? I'm not talking about the obvious cases here (like "New Caledonia"), but for instance Scotland--critical support for the breakup of one of history's most brutal metropoles, but potentially at the cost of strengthening a modern institution of the hard right, the EU.
Well for one like nobody in Xinjiang wants independence. It's like a couple hundred fundamentalist Islamic terrorists that the ClA funded
Well, the Catalunya case is rather complex, because some independentist movements have followers who could perfectly settle for either a federal system or a republic. This is actually the case for the left wing independentist parties.
Overall, Catalunya's independence movements had a large surge during the past few years. However, this surge took place during the government of the previous president, M. Rajoy, who was very much in favor of silencing those passions. This caused the famous 8-second long Catalonian republic.
After some of the people involved moving out of the country and some others staying to face a trial that (they knew) would not win, the next (social-democrat) government changed course to a more dialogue-oriented strategy, providing an amnesty to those individuals involved. Your usual Spaniard's mind may not be able to comprehend this action for some reason I myself find impossible to grasp. Condemning people for doing what they were voted to do is not a good idea.
Regardless, amnesty and dialogue have been shown by leaps and bounds to be the right course of action, as the government party have won the election in Catalunya by not a modest margin.
'The world’s No 3 nickel producer, New Caledonia lies at the heart of a geopolitically complex maritime region, where China and the US are jostling for power and influence in security and trade. Without naming China, the French president has previously said France’s drive to expand its influence in the Pacific was to ensure a “rules-based development”.'
The usual, then.
The activists, those irresponsible baddies, have cut off access to food and medicine! We're sending in a thousand colonial troops to "reconquer" but it's for their own good! Our calls for peace are being heard!
No 
, go straight to 
Uncritical support to occupied New Caledonia in their fight against the French occupation.
Death to
The Azerbaijani Menace strikes again
mort aux vaches
I think it's telling that they banned Tik Tok. We should really agitate on this point to show that the bourgeois don't care about the supposed rights they grant.
Liberals like "french canadians are such smol beans they didn't do anything, france abandoned them!" and want me to be nice about em, meanwhile french colonialism:
canada keeps the british monarchy so that france doesn't invade
So it kinda confirms that France is still the same as always, just weak as shit now. They quietly allowed Niger to kick them out just because they don't have the strenght to do anything about it. But when tiny New Caledonia dissents, it's empire time again because they can still do something about it.
this post was submitted on 17 May 2024
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