That's not why I posted this here, though:
The government will also probe the possibility of outlawing the political use of certain symbols, including the swastika as used by Nazi Germany as well as the hammer and sickle that appeared on the former Soviet Union flag.
🇫🇮 🔥 
As a Finn this whole thing feels like an unmasking of all the stuff that already started to become unmasked during the pandemic. And before that during the austerity years.
This is a countryvthst had people who kidnapped communists in the 30s. Communists were put in camps during ww2. Our civil war was a class war. Interestingly everyone has forgotten our own history.
The basic finns have spun things with the exact same playbook that the US fox news types have used. They keep moving goalposts, muddying waters and now we "both sides" this.
There is a concept called the sameness myth here that explains a lot too. The idea of equality as it has been framed has always been about being "nice and civil", about respecting "both sides". It has always made inequality disappear. It has always been equality for the privileged.
A proud academic just told me yesterday how happy they were that they were able to sit in the same table and compromise with these peoole who do this. How we can still "find common ground". Then these same people act surprised when the Overton window keeps sliding to the right. It's all about being nice, never kind. Never standing up for anything or saying no.
Sorry, this really gets under my skin because this was absolutely always going to happen in this socdem hell. I mean we make our unemployed work for 9€/day and call it a social service.
You forgot the tens of thousands of communists who were put in prison camps during the civil war, with thousands of them being executed en masse 
The basic finns
glad to see i'm not the only one translating their name like this
they truly are just the most basic vile shit-eaters that our precious shithole has produced in a while, arent they?
Yes, the use of this on my part is very intentional when these vile aholes try to portray themselves as "true". Only thing true that they are is evil. A party of school yard bullies.
This is fucking grim comrade
Stalin should not have stopped at Tali-Ihantala,
Finland banning the_donald and chapotraphouse
As soon as I saw it was Finland, I knew they were going to "both sides" it.
the current government is doing some cuts to worker's rights the likes of which didnt even happen in the 90s depression so naturally they would want to ban hammer and sickle. what if the people start to get ideas? they'll even throw the swastika under the bus, considering the air force academy still uses that one in their logo after they "stopped" using it 
This is it isn't it. They are proposing cutting the right to strike. What is happening to workers rights here is grounds for a general strike. But even our labour unions have been ran to the ground and are so closely tied to capitalism now that I doubt very much that will happen.
Oh look double genocide theory
Let me know when they take the swastika off their own planes.
They did recently
Banning the swastika will have zero effect on fascists who will just create new symbols out of whatever.
Banning the hammer and sickle sets up for future anticommunism in a world that will increasingly see conditions that make people more and more susceptible to socialist theory, and is great (from their perspective) given they want to maintain conflict with Russia who despite not being communist maintains the use of the symbol in several things in their stitched together corpse of a frankenstate. Then there's China of course.
Holocaust denial banning is cool but will probably come with some holodomor brained bullshit.
Anyway banning the hammer and sickle seems like a preposterously stupid diplomatic move to make when the most important country in world trade uses it, unless you're essentially fully committed to vassalising yourself to other world powers.
Is Finland the most racist of the Scandinavian country or does it just very much seem that way?
Give the whole thing to the Sámi
Oh not to mention Karelian peoples and the Roma.
The Karelian oppression for example dates back to when we tried to do some colonialism of our very own and our fascist leaders did "crusades" to the lands of the Karelian people. Displaced them, put them in camps. Then during the world wars put them in the front lines and left them poor, scarred and with ptsd after. Later a public health project started where a privileged academic eugenics motivated dude from the elite went to the poor rural areas to study why they have so much heart health issues, then stated it's the lifestyle of these uneducated plebs. Of course the generational stress from oppression, war and poverty has nothing to do with anything. /s
We got our intense fatmisia from that as a country. And the belief that if you get health issues, it's probably your own fault for not cross country skiing enough like a proper finn (this mindset got intense with covid, the vibe here is very much that the "weak" die and this is fine).
And the psychiatric hospitals we had here during the wars, oh boy how all minorities and communists were "rehabilitated" in those...
The process of making this country into this fascist dreamzone has been very intentional.
Most people here seem to genuinely think they aren't racist as well. The entire concept isn't understood and that is very much on purpose. We are all "equal". It's a version of the "I don't see colour" but applied to absolutely everything, from poverty to race.
Happiest country in the world (by capitalist standards).
The comment on fat shaming made something click for me in my experience since I moved here. One of my coworkers has this weird obsession with not being fat, or more specifically, not being construed to be unhealthy. When the group decides where to eat lunch, they will interject weird comments about how this or that food like a sandwich is inherently unhealthy … and then they will vote to eat at an Indian place instead. Never mind that it’s all the same macros, in different form… what is “unhealthy” is just whatever foods arbitrarily have negative associations.
You are right about many Finns not understanding racism. That’s true of most places I guess. It does take a distinct flavor here though.
Yes, this discussion is also what we grow up with. Every single food choice is noted and people always feel like they need to justify it if they decide to eat a piece of cake in public. Especially in work settings. It is like an endless bargaining game to earn the status of "the best performer" within these very narrow social norms.
Diet talk and pushing that to people who are for example unemployed is also common. I work with folks who like to remind the poors that if they just lost weight their life would get better. A lack of empathy and zero understanding of anything structural is a pretty common trait regardless of education level here.
Individualism as it is framed in neoliberalism has fit into the mindset here perfectly. If something happens to a person, it's always on them. People have also internalized this exceptionally well. Be it getting sick or losing a job, the fault is always on the individual. If someone tries to point out they got laid off just because capitalism, this is treated like "yea sure". But at the end of the day everyone thinks they are themselves just expectional enough that it can't happen to them, but it is ok and reasonable when it happens to others.
The capitalist apologia here is next level, even landlords are commonly framed as fully good actors who get treated with a lot of sympathy.
But I suppose this is pretty common in all the neoliberal hells of today.
The food thing sticks out to me because growing up, my parents were strict about my eating habits and subtly negged me about it. I was afraid to be caught grabbing a snack and felt shameful if they saw me eating outside the primary meals. It is amazing that I don't have an eating disorder today — I simply brute forced their acceptance of my eating habits with pure angst in my teenage years. I've always had a healthy bodyweight and my parents were both obese, so it was easy to decide they didn't know shit about nutrition.
Agree on the individualism stuff too, I'm definitely sensing that here. Still learning the culture though.
But I suppose this is pretty common in all the neoliberal hells of today.
Oh yes. I am not sure how prevalent this mentality among the "proper" blue collar workers in Russia, but it sure is amongst the labor aristocracy that is the IT
When the group decides where to eat lunch, they will interject weird comments about how this or that food like a sandwich is inherently unhealthy … and then they will vote to eat at an Indian place instead.
Refusing to eat sandwiches because they're unhealthy.
Refusing to eat sandwiches because they're English food.
Setting up a sympathizer guerilla hub in the maintenance corridors of the moomin theme park
It is at least the most racist in the European Union, which is saying much. http://fra.europa.eu/en/publication/2018/being-black-eu
chad malta
ONLY ARABIC SPEAKING COUNTRY IN THE EU.
"Probing use"
Would be morbidly funny if they decide to keep the swastika and ban the hammersickle
outlawing the political use of certain symbols, including the swastika as used by Nazi Germany as well as the hammer and sickle that appeared on the former Soviet Union flag.
🇫🇮 really went
the probe is going to be asking a roomful of 2rd generation Gladio handlers if they're cool with changing the decor in their bunkers to something else.
That's obviously excluded, there's a 45 degree difference (pls don't look up where that difference came from)
Nazi shithole
Give it a few years and they'll flip it on its head. You can't deny such a great achievement - the Holocaust. Why would you play down our numbers? It really happened once we can do it again!
More likely it'll just metasticize into a full blown Red Scare, with any opposition to the government line flagging you as a criminal or terrorist.
I'm surprised Holodomor Denial isn't already treated with the same severity. Maybe they can lump in Islamic Extremism and start using French style burka bans to harass Muslim women for their own good.
By linking the two and spreading outfight fascist "double genocide" shit they are going to make it so opposition to double genocide, any attempt to criticize Finland for its active role in the Holocaust and Lebensraum is "holocaust denial"
Also how do we not have a "Finland_Cool" emote?
Which is extra funny because double genocide is itself a form of Holocaust denial
Red Finns boughta come back out the woodwork with the anti-worker policies this is coming with. Good though, ban the swastika and ban Holocaust denial, no reason for that to exist.
The basic finn alt-right party said right after the presser for this that "we are not changing our policy as a party". So they might ban Holocaust denial on paper, but they made crystal clear they aren't banning it in their fascist party.
also they can just switch to "it was a good thing"
We need to refinlandize Finland
Funny how this is referred to as “criminalization” of holocaust denial when its subtler and more “respectable” goodie liberal form is about to be enshrined into law. As everyone knows, fascism is when swastika, it doesn’t go any deeper than that.
I think I left my peaches in the freezer.
Oh and one big thing here is that all this is absolutely a smoke screen for the capitalist class.
They have now kept this culture war stuff on the front page since the election. Meanwhile they have already given a huge handout to the richest in this country by adjusting taxation on investments. This however isn't outrage worthy and is more complicated so nobody talks about that.
Same with the absolutely crushing long list of cuts they are pushing to the most fundamental workers rights.
The progressives and libs are all busy doing anti-fascist marching and being deeply outraged by the racism and at the same time we are getting deeply screwed. A lot of "the poors voted wrong" discourse as well. Also people being worried about our "country brand" with zero awareness of where that sort of discourse comes from. Finland Incorporated is where we live.
Personally am pretty exhausted by it. Everyone believes that if we had just kept the neolibs at the helm, none of this would happen. They forget how all the covid support went to capitalists, how covid protection was dropped as soon as investment said no. How our healthcare system has been steadily collapsing for decades regardless of who the talking heads are. The Left party voted for nato here and is fully a capitalist party that does social justice, all forms of class consciousness is just gone.
"no dont you see , the Swastika use by the Finish Airforce until 2019? is not in anyway faschistic ... it is just that the swedisch Faschist that givted them their first planes had the Swastika on it"
Let's not forget many Finnish politicians still try to say that Finland was not allied with Germany on World War II. It was "separate warring", according to them. Yeah, Finland genocided the Soviet Union while Nazi Germany did the same...but hey, Finns killed less people, or something. :finland-cool:
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