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My Ukrainian flags in the rich town next to mine index never lies
As those flags came down, so did the public support
yeah that's a really great visual indicator
It really shows how much Reddit represents a vocal minority. And how much of it is most likely astroturfed.
indeed
Good to see the libs coming around to where I was two years ago.
too bad 100s of thousands of people had to die in the process
Wow I can't believe that the majority of Americans are now tankie Russian bots
Do they want the conflict to end as in "we recognize that prolonging the conflict will only lead to more suffering so we should negotiate a deal between Ukraine and Russia" or do they want the conflict to end as "russian subhumans must evacuate Ukraine immediately and let them reset their borders to the ones prior to 2014". Because one of those is an actual serious opinion and the other one is shown by every Lemmy lib who wanders into Hexbear for more than 2 minutes. The latter opinion is also seemingly shared by Zelensky and Co. as they keep having these peace summits without inviting Russia, which seems like wishcasting more than anything.
It seems like increasingly the former. I think it's important to keep in mind that terminally online libs on social media aren't actually representative of the general opinion.
do they want the conflict to end as “russian subhumans must evacuate Ukraine immediately and let them reset their borders to the ones prior to 2014”.
Idk what the people asked meant, but the questions 1,3,4 clearly suggest that people making that poll meant that option i quoted.
— Yes, Ukraine has no serious chance of coming out of this with anything remotely resembling a victory and the immediate brokering of peace has been the only sensible path forward for the past two years.
Fortunately Democracy™ isn't determined by something as vulgar and pedestrian as "what most people want".
If it was we'd call it something super undemocratic like "a people's democracy"
Democracy of the working class is authoritarian!
to be fair, they never specify democracy for which class
At this point I want to just see the signing ceremony, where at the end Putin reminds everyone "you could have gotten this exact same deal in March 2022."
This war now is basically to salvage the legacy of the Overpromoted Comedian, and the west as an entity. Anything less than a fantasy victory that cedes everything west of Vladivostok to Kiev will be evidence their obstinance cost thousands of lives.
Idk if it's politically feasible for Putin to offer the same deal as 2022. He needs to show gains for lives lost and treasure spent to the Russian people.
They would get way better deal in march 2022 and infinitely better at any point between 2014 and 2022.
Salute to the 6% of Yanks and 3% of Euros who fully support Russia's special military operations.
Why do the totals add up to well over 100%?
Nevermind I'm dumb and didn't read the fine print. The participants were allowed to select two options.
The wording of questions 1,3,4 clearly suggest that the "negotiated settlement" is just Russia withdrawing.
Also love the explanation what "western Europe" means in the small print.
now let's see what the western state media says should happen to Ukraine. shock, surprise, etc. it doesn't represent the majority
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