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[-] Magister@lemmy.world 52 points 5 months ago

It happens, I once ask a question about a spinning wheel and the rpm required to have 1G. chatGPT started a couple of calculus and in the end answered that to have 1G, the diameter should be 7 times the radius. I answered back "this does not make sense, a diameter is by definition 2 times the radius", it apologized and redid the right calculus :)

[-] Technus@lemmy.zip 90 points 5 months ago

This is because LLMs do not inherently understand math. They stick characters together that are likely to go together based on the content they were trained on. They're literally just glorified autocorrect.

If you want a tool that can actually do math from natural language input, try WolframAlpha.

[-] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 29 points 5 months ago

I am so glad to see someone pushing Wolfram Alpha. It's frustrating that more people don't know about it, when it's been around so long now.

[-] Technus@lemmy.zip 10 points 5 months ago

I paid like $5 for the Android app (now WolframAlpha Classic) like 10 years ago and it's been worth every penny. I use it for anything that needs complicated unit conversions.

[-] lone_faerie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 5 months ago

The Android app is incredible. WolframAlpha has a premium subscription, but I don't get why anyone would pay for it when the app includes all the same features.

[-] dalekcaan@lemm.ee 6 points 5 months ago

Wolfram was completely indispensable for me during college. I always meant to get into Mathematica as well, but never got around to figuring it out.

[-] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 months ago

Calling the inputs to use wolfram alpha effectively natural language is very generous. I could never get the hang of it

[-] bulwark@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

That's why I can't ever trust what it says. No conviction. I'm like stick to your guns chatGPT.

[-] Donkter@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

This is what people don't understand about char gpt. It's not a tool for accuracy, even the company who made it says that. Then idiots come in and say "see it does math wrong! And it can't get a fact right! Only a moron would say this is the wave of the future!" And don't get me wrong. Google added it into their search engine because of the hype and low and behold, the LLM was inaccurate.

What is chat gpt food for? Creativity and abstracting. An LLM model is really good when you need a list of 10 terrible names for a dog food company to get your brain thinking. It's good at helping someone outline a story they want to write or make their email sound more professional. It's useful as an aid to help someone plan a schedule. The best use of chatgpt is to work with it, not try to get it to do a task without you. An LLM works best with piecemeal feedback and someone knowledgeable in the subject that can vet the answers it's giving.

[-] fossphi@lemm.ee 24 points 5 months ago

I highly recommend GNU units for stuff like this. It's insanely powerful. See the following comment for its immense versatility

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36987372

[-] fraksken@infosec.pub 4 points 5 months ago
[-] RobotZap10000@feddit.nl 20 points 5 months ago

Have you tried using a calculator?

[-] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 24 points 5 months ago

I'm fairness, a calculator wouldn't explain how to get there. An LLM might not explain it correctly, but it will explain it.

[-] Technus@lemmy.zip 26 points 5 months ago

WolframAlpha will do the right math, and walk you through it (though IIRC you have to pay for that part).

[-] Glemek@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

Pretty sure I am using the free version, or if I paid it was a one time thing and long ago but it will walk you thru at least some problems. Example:

[-] Technus@lemmy.zip 8 points 5 months ago

If that's WolframAlpha Classic, you probably paid for it a decade ago like I did.

[-] Glemek@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

You are right! There isn't any indication in the app itself that I could find though; but when I searched it up on google play it says I have classic installed, not standard.

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago

So a calculator is more valuable, then.

[-] pelletbucket@lemm.ee 7 points 5 months ago

how is a calculator going to explain to you that you forgot to convert units

[-] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.de 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Edit: looks like I'm switching to GNU Units

~~Use Wolfram Alpha, which is a mathematics engine first and text parser second (and it shows: the math is flawless but it wouldn't understand the query; both need to be asked separately: 1/2). ChatGPT performs similarly this time but I wouldn't trust it to expand a polynomial because there is very high chance that it would hallucinate some terms.~~

Of course, any calculator will do for this, it's easy to verify that 2÷3×14 = 14÷1.5, no need to have a server run a billion times more complex calculation.

[-] jdeath@lemm.ee 17 points 5 months ago

isn't it funny how humans will end up using a trillion times more energy so that the calculator can be less reliable, but acts like a person

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