The trouble with cloudflare is that there is just one. It’s one of the best registrars out there, the only free/cheap and usable DNS host (have you seen what route53 charges per zone??). That without getting into the whole tunnels and DDoS mitigation end of things, which is nearly unique at any price point.

The problem with cloudflare is that we’re missing three other cloudflares to move to if they decide to pull evil shit.

Why does Cloudflare get a pass on the "if it's free, you're the product" mantra of the self-hosting community? Honest question. They seem to provide a lot for free, so...

we should definitively have a wiki (though people should use "search" too, I wonder if a wiki would help really). This "topic" comes every month. I have posted this already, here it goes again: https://github.com/anderspitman/awesome-tunneling

Sure it's easy to set up, but the same behaviour is what I get with my handrolled solution. I rent a cheap VPS with a fixed IP solely for forwarding all traffic through wireguard. My DNS entries all point to the VPS and my servers connect to the VPS to be reachable. It is absolutely network agnostic and does not require any port shenanigans on the local network nor does it require a fixed IP for the internet connection of my home server.

Data security wise the HTTPS terminates on my own hardware (homeserver with reverse proxy) and the wireguard connection is additionally encrypted. There are no secrets or certificates on the rented VPS beyond the bare minimum for the wireguard tunnel and my public key for SSH access.

Shuttling the packets on the VPS (inet to wireguard) is done by socat because I haven't had the will or need to get in the weeds with nftables/iptables. I am just happy that it works reliably and am happy to loose some potential bandwidth to the kernelspace/userspace hoops.

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It's almost like the big tech companies are really good at their jobs....

Unless you are behind CGNAT; you would have had the same plug+play experience by using your own router instead of the ISP supplied one, and using DDNS.

At least, I did.

I also really like the tunnels feature. It makes self hosting at home easy for those under NAT/CGNAT or whatever it was called.

I prefer Tailscale Funnel for these kinds of things. NetBird and ZeroTier also work just fine if you don't want to expose your services to the public.

Just stop supporting the biggest actor in the market.

I use Cloudflare as my registrar and public DNS. And only for that. Sorry but they don't get to peek at my network traffic.

Well, centralization and giving up your freedoms, letting someone else control you, is always kinda easy. Same applies to all the other big tech companies and their platforms. I'd say it applies to other aspects of life, too.

And I'd say it's not far off from the usual setup. If you had a port forward and DynDns like lots of people have, the Dns would automatically update, you'd need to make sure the port forward is activated if you got a new router, but that's pretty much it.

But sure. if it's too inconvenient to put in the 5 minutes of effort it requires to set up port forwarding everytime you move, I also don't see an alternative to tunneling. Or you'd need to pay for a VPS.

I mean, I used to think Google Public DNS was great until I switched to 1.1.1.1...

Their static website hosting is probably the best in the business. We seriously need some competition though.

I am out of the loop, what's going in with snooping?

I use their cloudflared tunnel sometimes for accessing home hosted stuff.

I use cloud flare tunnel for my home server too. Are there any viable and somewhat easy alternatives?