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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by iluminae@lemmy.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

Hi Lemmy, My HOA sent out a email saying dogs are no longer allowed on any grass in common areas or front yards including grass between sidewalk and curb which is.... everywhere except our own tiny backyards. The reasoning is some dog urine effected dead spots. Honestly I didn't even notice them, it's 95° here and all the grass looks sad.

It's a walking town and we are not a gated community, non-residents walk their dogs here all the time, so this rule can only punish those who live here and has no ability to effect others.

Anyway, this seems like a 'we have tried nothing and we are all out of ideas!' moment so I wanted to see if anyone here had any suggestions I can pass on to maintain a "good" curb appeal ground cover-wise while allowing dogs to do normal dog stuff.

I can converse with the HOA board in good faith, but this rule is basically banning dogs from the neighborhood - which I super did not sign up for.

Pertainent info: PA, USA - Town Home style homes - small central common grass - owned for 8y.

Edit: it seems like people may have glossed over the question part and skipped straight to HOA bashing (which is warranted at times!) so I will rephrase:

What ground covering or neighborhood solutions to similar (perceived) issues have other communities employed?

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[-] planish@sh.itjust.works 94 points 1 year ago

Check to make sure that the HOA actually has the power to do this. As a land owner you are bound to follow the covenants that run with the land, but you are only actually bound to follow those covenants. You don't have to do random stuff just because the HOA board or even a majority of the HOA voters say so, you only actually have to do what's in the covenants.

Unless the covenants say that you agree to follow a bunch of dog-related rules to be defined later, you almost certainly are allowed to park your dog in your own front yard or in that of any consenting neighbor.

[-] mysoulishome@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

The HOA can pass an amendment or addendum to the covenants at any point, which then instantly enacts the rule and gives them the power to fine you and put a lien on your property if you don’t pay…with the caveat that I’m speaking about in the USA. Do other countries have HOA’s? You could go to a meeting or take them to court of course.

[-] rammer@sopuli.xyz 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Most other countries do not have HOAs. In Finland where I live, municipalities can enact ordinances to limit what you can do on your property, but they are often very limited if they exist at all. The most restrictive ones that I know limit the type of house that can be built (eg. no flat roofs, although this can be a zoning issue as well), the color of the houses and other similar limitations.

I'll take my socialdemocrat "hell hole" of a country over the "free" USA with HOAs any time.

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[-] SymphonicResonance@lemmy.world 74 points 1 year ago

Clearly the solution to start owning wolves.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 1 year ago
[-] Decoy321@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago

How the fuck are they going to enforce this?

[-] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 70 points 1 year ago

You're assuming the point is to stop it. It's far more likely the point is to create an excuse for issuing fines.

[-] Neato@kbin.social 32 points 1 year ago

As John Oliver showed: ridiculous fines and if you don't pay then they foreclose on your house.

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 26 points 1 year ago

I'm sure there's some nosy old biddies who would love an excuse to take a picture of every dog that pisses where they can see it

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[-] iluminae@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

A complicating factor: I would say ~50% of the houses are rented and only the homeowners have a say in HOA matters. So, assuming any owners without dogs (including the whole board) and any landlord would logically vote to ban all use of the grass, while all dog-owning homeowners would vote to allow dogs near the grass.

Obviously that's generalizing what the votes would be - even though the majority of the houses have dogs, I would say the minority are homeowners with dogs.

The reason I bring this up is a petition-style response may be dismissed as "well those dog owners have no say as they are not homeowners"

[-] Mamertine@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

Find out when the next meeting is. Tell them you're going to attend.

Organize all the other dog owners and all of you attend. Explain why the new rule is a burden on you all. Explain what you want. Listen to their reasoning. Come to an agreeable compromise.

[-] FARTYSHARTBLAST@kbin.social 26 points 1 year ago

Move to a place that is not in an HOA because fuck HOAs.

[-] _CottonCandyUnicorn_@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

I truly don't understand how HOAs aren't illegal. Or at the very least restricted.

[-] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 14 points 1 year ago

Local governments love HOAs and they are only giving construction permits to HOA communities. Why they love it? Easy, they onload the government duties of maintaining infrastructure on the HOAs, who charge a "tax" that doesn't risks the political career of the elected officials.

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[-] itsshortstuff@lemm.ee 24 points 1 year ago

I've read some folks being a bottle of water on walks to dilute the pee so it's less likely to ruin grass. But in fairness if some dog pee is ruining grass, owners are not watering their lawns enough. There are plenty of dogs in my neighborhood that are walked and I don't think there are many pee spot issues.

But even better would be to not use grass :) uses too much water in the first place hehe

[-] SgtAStrawberry@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

As someone not from the US. What in the world are you guys doing with your grass that makes it need watering and gets ruined by dog pee?

I have lived around dogs my entire life and never seen any grass get miscolourd by their pee.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 16 points 1 year ago

I'd guess it's the building cities in the inhospitable desert that does it.

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[-] Lemjukes@lemm.ee 24 points 1 year ago

So the AKC has this page that lists about half a dozen alternatives to outright banning dogs on grass.

https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/home-living/dog-pee-killing-grass/

I agree this very much sounds like the HOA taking the laziest route possible at the expense of it's residents.

But also, fuck HOAs. Get on the board and take that shit down from the inside, only reliable way to destroy those parasites.

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[-] joel_feila@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

Former real estate agent here

All you can do is talk to the hoa board. That is it. If they won't listen then you have no options. Other then pointing out this wont solve the problem and only punish members. Good luck.

[-] hoch@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

no LEGAL options

FTFY

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[-] paholg@lemm.ee 23 points 1 year ago

Is this legal? My understanding is that the strip of grass between the sidewalk and street is "semi-private", in that the homeowner has to maintain it, but that the city actually owns it.

I'd check local laws and see if the HOA has any right to restrict dogs there.

[-] bustrpoindextr@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

HOAs have excessive rights especially newer ones and this is probably actually legal. The city likely owns none of it btw.

HOAs are a blight on American home ownership, John Oliver did a segment on it, but new HOA contracts are crazy if you haven't had a peek at one.

[-] sturmblast@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

shit like this is the reason I will never ever participate in an HOA

[-] iluminae@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

In an additional effort to refocus this thread to ground cover, has anyone here in the northeast US gone with a clover ground cover, rather than grass?

[-] silentknyght@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Why not put down mulch and native perennials? Skip fussy turf grass altogether.

[-] Nastybutler@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

That would also probably be an HOA violation. Welcome to hell

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[-] NegativeLookBehind@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago

Set all the grass on fire. Boom, no more grass.

[-] malloc@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

You have been living there for 8 yrs. Is this the first time the board has been unreasonable? If not, you might not have much recourse. Except for becoming president of the HOA and changing by-laws yourself. Unfortunately, HOAs in America are fucking weird she mostly unregulated which leads to these power tripping people.

If so, I would converse with them and present the same arguments you posted here.

In both cases, it would help if you can get your neighbors on the same page and agree. If more than half of the neighbors come to the consensus that it’s unreasonable, could easily force the board’s hand and revert. If they don’t bend, I would then ask your neighbors to re-elect the board. If at this point, you would need to check your HOA by-laws since it wildly differs across the USA.

[-] Mcballs1234@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

I say burn the hoa with fire

[-] theKalash@feddit.ch 8 points 1 year ago

Collect all your dogshit and dump it in the yard of the HOA president.

[-] fylkenny@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Can the dog owning houses replace their grass with wood chips or something?

[-] iluminae@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

The HOA is taking the 'our responsibility is to keep a consistent curb-appeal' stance so I think seemingly random houses not having grass at all may not be acceptable - though maybe that's appropriate for the strip between the sidewalk and road.

[-] PupBiru@kbin.social 22 points 1 year ago

i will never understand the US’s obsession with “consistent” housing

[-] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's easier once you realize it's mainly real estate developers trying to oppress minorities by setting up a a bunch of shitty rules to be enforced by a petty wannabe-dictator named Ted

[-] slazer2au@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Honestly, review you HOA requirements for imposing new rules, make sure they followed the rules and if they didn't demand the rule be withdrawn until the proper process is followed.

[-] Hazdaz@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Try to get the rule changed so it reads "no UNLEASHED dogs allowed on.... " And try to get them to add some kind of punishment for those who don't clean up after their dogs (i.e. a $50 fine or something like that). Sure people can bash HOAs (and I totally agree with why they are hated so much), but the rule was probably not enacted because of one incident. It was probably put into place after many issues with owners not cleaning up after their dogs, so they felt they had to do something.

As with all HOA issues, the solution is to be in on it.... be part of the HOA. Run for office and get on the board. Being part of the process makes it that much easier to control what rules get put up.

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