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[-] NONE_dc@lemmy.world 72 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Didn't Jesus know from the beginning that this was the last supper? Maybe it would have gone more like:

Jesus: Okay guys, now everyone knows what to bring for the supper.

Judas: Master, you didn't tell me what I should bring.

Jesus: Don't worry, traitor- I mean, Judas. Your presence is more than enough at the last supper.

All the apostles: "The last" what?

[-] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago

Probably unleavened bread with roasted lamb and bitter herbs, as it was Passover.

[-] NONE_dc@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago
[-] kromem@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

In John there's no Eucharist ritual, but there's a scene where Jesus dips bread and feeds it to Judas.

This is explained away as a sign of who will betray Jesus.

In Mark, this again happens, but now it doesn't mention that it's bread, and immediately precedes a Eucharist ritual.

In Matthew, which was copying from Mark, it makes it a dipped 'hand' instead, further distancing any association with bread.

On a completely unrelated note, anyone ever wonder why in the Eucharist ritual, if the bread is supposed to be the body of 'Christ,' which is the Greek word literally meaning 'anointed,' the bread isn't being anointed or dipped in anything before being consumed?

Kind of seems like an oversight.

[-] _stranger_@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

In the Roman Catholic ceremony, the priest drops a piece of the Eucharist into the wine and then drinks that together. That's the ceremonial 'dipping' part. It's easy to miss but I remember always wondering how that tastes, because those Jesus breads dissolve when you breathe on them. (I don't know how strict Roman Catholic churches are, but I imagine they try to keep that shit pretty standard)

[-] kromem@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

So another detail to ponder is that canonically, John the Baptist never drank wine, and traditionally, neither did James the Just.

Yet the ritual for taking part in salvation necessitated drinking wine (especially as the doctrine of transubstantiation developed later on)?

So his mentor and brother couldn't partake?

We see as early as Ignatius discussion of a different Eucharist tradition, where he chastises the schismatic use of "evil herbage."

It's not a very straightforward development.

[-] LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Well it wasn't an ordinary supper it was passover, wasn't it? Idk I never went to church

[-] dogsnest@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

They're saying the GOP is weird. And now they're saying Judas is weird.

Coincidence?

I think "not".

this post was submitted on 26 Jul 2024
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