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submitted 11 months ago by ptz@dubvee.org to c/tenforward@lemmy.world

6x05: Schisms. My nerd rage flared up a little bit watching that scene.

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[-] sbv@sh.itjust.works 50 points 11 months ago

jfc he has a name, it is Data and he speaks

[-] ptz@dubvee.org 6 points 11 months ago

Data: [Vehicle reversing]

[-] zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)
[-] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 45 points 11 months ago
[-] ptz@dubvee.org 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Yes, much. Lol. Blu ray/streaming release or did you fix it in post?

[-] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Trekcore blu ray stills. I've found myself referencing it more these days. Except for VOY and DS9, since some studio refuses to do a proper HD/4K release.

Edit: I'm aware of the VOY side project though.

Edit edit: The still is from Trekcore, the subtitle annotation is mine. Misread your original statement.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

Except for VOY and DS9, since some studio refuses to do a proper HD/4K release.

There's a (pretty good) reason for that: TOS and TNG were mastered on film, which means they can get more resolution by rescanning it with better technology, but VOY and DS9 were mastered directly on videotape. There's no HD/4K release of those series because high-resolution data never existed in the first place.

[-] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

Proper film can be upscaled to the wazoo, but tapes as we saw with Doctor Who, just won't cut it.

[-] django@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 11 months ago

So if the original recordings still existed on film, you'd be able to do it, if you redid the mastering using said film?

[-] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

My understanding is that if there's a master in proper film/celluloid, it's possible to upscale and variably clean up. Whereas, if it was recorded strictly on VHS tape, there's not a lot to be done quality-wise that won't butcher it.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

AI upscaling does a really good job with things recorded on video tape. I've been very impressed lately.

Obviously, the AI is putting data that wasn't originally there into the image, but the approximation is good enough that you pretty much don't notice.

Check out, if you can, what Peter Jackson did with WWI footage for the documentary he made. It's really amazing. Not video tape, but a similar missing data and low quality problem.

[-] superkret@feddit.org 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I watched that WW1 documentary.
Honestly, I liked that they slowed down the footage (and still don't understand why that's not always done when playing old video recorded with a lower frame rate), but the upscaling still looked fake and artificial. I'd rather have film grain out the Wazoo than that.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

In this particular case, we're talking about CG special effects footage being the only thing that needs to be upscaled. It's artificial to begin with.

[-] JWBananas@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

They do. But the VFX/CGI do not.

Surprisingly, much of the original CGI source does exist. And the models were overdeveloped and thus basically usable as-is.

But it's still a lot of painstaking, manual work.

It's a money problem, not a technical one.

[-] django@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 11 months ago

Good to know, that this is only a money problem, so it might be done in the future.

[-] ptz@dubvee.org 4 points 11 months ago

Ah, well at least they did fix that in a later release.

[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago
[-] PythagreousTitties@lemm.ee 21 points 11 months ago
[-] ptz@dubvee.org 10 points 11 months ago

😂 That would be either someone's first day on the job, last day, or possibly both.

[-] PythagreousTitties@lemm.ee 9 points 11 months ago

It would funny to do like a "trek illiterate sub"

[-] ptz@dubvee.org 10 points 11 months ago

Now I really want all media to have a "genre illiterate" subtitle language option. Lol

[-] PythagreousTitties@lemm.ee 9 points 11 months ago

Could take it even further and have "stereotype writes subs".

Farmer writes star trek subs.
Gangster writes start trek subs.
Astrophysicist writes subs.
And so on

[-] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)
[-] PythagreousTitties@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago

For the gangster Im picturing something like.
[Saying shit they know ain't gonna work right]

[-] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago
[-] PythagreousTitties@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago
[-] ptz@dubvee.org 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)
[-] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 3 points 11 months ago
[-] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Well, damn. Thanks for the heads up. Fixed.

[-] limelight79@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago

This reminded me of Wil Wheaton doing summaries of TNG episodes. (That might not link to all of them, but it's a starting point. Unfortunately the effort was canceled after season 1 or 2.)

[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 6 points 11 months ago
[-] PythagreousTitties@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Nerds shit continues

[-] alquicksilver@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

I get why you raged because my immediate thought was which gadget‽ There are so many!

[-] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

You are not wrong!

The ones in their hands? The ones in their shirts? The one that is a gadget? The one in the face? The various ones behind them? The one they're standing in?

[-] IHawkMike@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

I'm pretty sure the subtitles I use are taken from the transcripts, not dictated from the show.

Which makes it interesting to see when the actors add their particular flair to the dialogue -- especially Patrick Stewart and Brent Spiner.

[-] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Out of curiosity, have an example?

[-] IHawkMike@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

None that I can remember specifically but it happens a lot. The subtitle text will be something like, "are you sure?" and Captain Picard would say something like, "are you ABsolutely positive?" And I think Brent Spiner added a lot of Data-isms that weren't in the transcripts.

I think most shows do it. Why would a company pay someone to transcribe when they can just pay someone to line up the audio with the transcript in 1/10th of the time?

[-] sneezycat@sopuli.xyz 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

At least in the industry I work at (making dubs), there is always a document called "As Recorded" that is an exact transcript of what was recorded, and usually doesn't 100% correspond to the actual script.

I think the reason they do the subtitles like this is because they can't be too hard to read. Some things just don't fit in time, so they simplify them. I'm not 100% sure though, I could ask my mate that works in translating/subtitling.

[-] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

No worries. I seent it happen before in other media.

[-] pedz@lemmy.ca 9 points 11 months ago

[foreign language]

[-] Kojichan@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

My favourite is when auto subtitles add [Music] when there is clearly nothing.

[-] JWBananas@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

*car starts*

[Applause]

[-] Ironfacebuster@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

My favorite subtitle moment from Star Trek (I don't remember which one) is the "Everyone prepare for a Happy Birthday!" on Netflix

That was the funniest thing little kid me had ever seen

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