152
submitted 1 year ago by MaoTheLawn@hexbear.net to c/news@hexbear.net

How stupid do they think China is

all 46 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[-] JohnBrownsBussy2@hexbear.net 84 points 1 year ago

It is funny that this supposedly "market-based" solutions boil down to an axiom that creditors should never be allowed to lose when making a bet or a loan, and that the state should always compensate creditors.

[-] Tom742@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago

That’s basically the IMF’s whole bid too, the west created a whole global institution to create loans that can never lose, their goal is debt trap.

Which is ironic considering the capitalists rhetoric around loans and interest is that riskier loans have higher interest because of the chance of default. Then they go and ensure that no loan is risky if it’s enough money owed to the right people.

[-] PKMKII@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago

Michael Hudson has written about this, that the international loan system exists so that the imperial core can put the screws on the “developing” world whenever it makes political economy decisions that threaten international capital’s bottom line.

[-] Tom742@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yup! I read Super-Imperialism and then shortly after read Debt: The First 5,000 years, and I think they compliment each other really well in being able to conceptualize how debt is wielded as a weapon.

Debt actually opens up with the example of how “incredulous” of an idea it is that a country would default on their IMF loan and then shreds it apart.

[-] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

The freeeeeeeeee marketttttttttt

[-] vertexarray@hexbear.net 82 points 1 year ago

The IMF wasn't even offering to loan any money out, they were just telling China how to run their economy lmao

[-] Tom742@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago

Trying to get China to debt trap the central government to the real estate capitalists themselves essentially

[-] Grownbravy@hexbear.net 62 points 1 year ago
[-] citrussy_capybara@hexbear.net 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

can put words directly atop emoji with {emoji|text} and not have to try manually spacing
{friend-visitor-3|China}mystery-emote{friend-visitor-4|IMF}

*edit - was unaware browser support mixed, YMMV

[-] wheresmysurplusvalue@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

fwiw it doesn't render correctly for me on desktop firefox, can only read the words by highlighting them

[-] citrussy_capybara@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

oof
in Chromium and Safari looks like

[-] viva_la_juche@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

On ddg on iOS it didn’t even render at all for me lol

[-] citrussy_capybara@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

odd, works in iOS ddg and firefox here

[-] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

Ohhh new tricks to power up the shitposting! Thank you 😊

[-] citrussy_capybara@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

{07|you’re welcome!}

[-] Grownbravy@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

{friend-visitor-3 | Every Chromium Browser } mystery-emote {friend-visitor-4 | The exact one I use}

Neat trick, but it’s rendering wrong for me

[-] citrussy_capybara@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

unfortunate, but that makes this one you just did even funnier

[-] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

I've made a handful of shit posts with that newish furigana feature, but didn't even think of using it with emoji. centrist next level shit

[-] citrussy_capybara@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

you mean {centrist|next level shit}

[-] sovietknuckles@hexbear.net 56 points 1 year ago

The IMF called on China to deploy “one-off” fiscal resources to complete and deliver pre-sold properties or compensate homebuyers, according to an annual review of the world’s second-largest economy published Friday. It put the cost at the equivalent of 5.5% of gross domestic product over four years.

That would amount to almost $1 trillion based on last year’s GDP, according to Bloomberg calculations.

Bloomberg made up the $1 trillion figure

[-] Pastaguini@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago

“This would amount to INFINITY PLUS ONE TIMES A HUNDRED dollars.”

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ancient Chinese or Greeks would use "10000" for that figure of speech but it would look silly for US oligarch.

an annual review of the world’s second-largest economy

What weird hollywood accounting are they using to put China's economy behind amerikas lmao

[-] AstroStelar@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Using nominal GDP instead of GDP adjusted for purchasing power parity (PPP). America still leads in the former because the same goods and services cost more there than in China.

[-] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

this is also the same neat trick they use when they say Italy's economy is bigger than Russia's

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 54 points 1 year ago

“We believe that we should continue to apply market-based and rule-of-law principles in completing and delivering these units,” said Zhang Zhengxin, the IMF’s executive director for China who was elected to the fund by the government in Beijing.

Lol. Just lol. "Actually we're just gonna do capitalism and see how that works out".

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

One of the many downsides of getting too many people educated in westoid universities

[-] StalinStan@hexbear.net 50 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They should take the money and just give it to Palestine. Then when the imf guy comes to ask for a payment they should arrest him and put him on their space station where we can't get to him

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

No fair, why should IMF ghouls get to go to space for free?

[-] StalinStan@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Just like all imf business the cost is free upfront, it is getting out at the end that is gonna cost.

[-] RNAi@hexbear.net 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Even if they were interested in injecting money on the companies that lost a shitton of money; doesn't China have like a shitton US debt that they could call? Why would they get a loan for it?

[-] JohnBrownsBussy2@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago

US treasuries have a fixed coupon schedule, so they can't be "called." They can be sold for liquid cash though.

[-] RNAi@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

Ok, that then

[-] LENINSGHOSTFACEKILLA@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago

how the fuck is the imf even in china to begin with

[-] Yor@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago
[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago

The IMF called on China to deploy “one-off” fiscal resources to complete and deliver pre-sold properties or compensate homebuyers, according to an annual review of the world’s second-largest economy published Friday. It put the cost at the equivalent of 5.5% of gross domestic product over four years.

That would amount to almost $1 trillion based on last year’s GDP, according to Bloomberg calculations. It’s a solution that China all but ruled out in an official response included in the report.

“We believe that we should continue to apply market-based and rule-of-law principles in completing and delivering these units,” said Zhang Zhengxin, the IMF’s executive director for China who was elected to the fund by the government in Beijing.

[-] tactical_trans_karen@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

IMF: porky-happy Heyyyy buuuuudy! It's me, the West, your old pal that you have a good history with who never says openly that we want to sew the seeds of your destruction. You know that thing that you're being so successful at? Yeah, the economy! Looks like you need some help with that, wanna borrow some money?

China: xigma-male I am the one who loans.

[-] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago
[-] Finger@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

no more half measures walter

[-] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

BUT AT WHAT COST?

this post was submitted on 04 Aug 2024
152 points (99.4% liked)

news

24484 readers
484 users here now

Welcome to c/news! We aim to foster a book-club type environment for discussion and critical analysis of the news. Our policy objectives are:

We ask community members to appreciate the uncertainty inherent in critical analysis of current events, the need to constantly learn, and take part in the community with humility. None of us are the One True Leftist, not even you, the reader.

Newcomm and Newsmega Rules:

The Hexbear Code of Conduct and Terms of Service apply here.

  1. Link titles: Please use informative link titles. Overly editorialized titles, particularly if they link to opinion pieces, may get your post removed.

  2. Content warnings: Posts on the newscomm and top-level replies on the newsmega should use content warnings appropriately. Please be thoughtful about wording and triggers when describing awful things in post titles.

  3. Fake news: No fake news posts ever, including April 1st. Deliberate fake news posting is a bannable offense. If you mistakenly post fake news the mod team may ask you to delete/modify the post or we may delete it ourselves.

  4. Link sources: All posts must include a link to their source. Screenshots are fine IF you include the link in the post body. If you are citing a Twitter post as news, please include the Xcancel.com (or another Nitter instance) or at least strip out identifier information from the twitter link. There is also a Firefox extension that can redirect Twitter links to a Nitter instance, such as Libredirect or archive them as you would any other reactionary source.

  5. Archive sites: We highly encourage use of non-paywalled archive sites (i.e. archive.is, web.archive.org, ghostarchive.org) so that links are widely accessible to the community and so that reactionary sources don’t derive data/ad revenue from Hexbear users. If you see a link without an archive link, please archive it yourself and add it to the thread, ask the OP to fix it, or report to mods. Including text of articles in threads is welcome.

  6. Low effort material: Avoid memes/jokes/shitposts in newscomm posts and top-level replies to the newsmega. This kind of content is OK in post replies and in newsmega sub-threads. We encourage the community to balance their contribution of low effort material with effort posts, links to real news/analysis, and meaningful engagement with material posted in the community.

  7. American politics: Discussion and effort posts on the (potential) material impacts of American electoral politics is welcome, but the never-ending circus of American Politics© Brought to You by Mountain Dew™ is not welcome. This refers to polling, pundit reactions, electoral horse races, rumors of who might run, etc.

  8. Electoralism: Please try to avoid struggle sessions about the value of voting/taking part in the electoral system in the West. c/electoralism is right over there.

  9. AI Slop: Don't post AI generated content. Posts about AI race/chip wars/data centers are fine.

founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS