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This hurts cause this is my dad. I figured they like the military and battle shit, not the political environment that lead to it.
They do like the military and battle shit. That’s the problem, they’re completely blind to any of the more complicated, interpersonal stuff.
Pew pew boom boom yaaaay, yap yap nooo
WW1 - they hit some dude in a car and everybody was pissed.
WW2 - everybody was sick of paying for WW1
Easy!
Idk if that's really why WWII started...
There was more to WW1 starting than Franz Ferdinand getting shot, too. They are sarcastically skewering people's simplistic understanding of the causes of those two conflicts.
I guess so. I think it was mostly Germany tired of paying for WWI tho lol
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Tons of US fascists fought in Europe. From their perspective, they weren’t fighting against fascism, they were fighting against Germany.
Also, when it comes to US reactions to fascism from the 1920s on, WW2 was very much the EXCEPTION, not the rule.
People like to point to the Silver Legion and Jim Crow and such but the native fascist parties didn't even have as much support as they do today.
If you want to argue that segregation was enough to make America a fascist state I wouldn't disagree but Americans at the time simply didn't see it that way, even if some of them liked what that Hitler guy was saying about autarky and making more white babies.
Anti-semitism of the kind that Hitler was spouting was very much a mainstream idea, not just in Germany and Austria but all across Europe and the US. Hitler was merely the most radical one that came to power.
It's easy to frame WWII as the battle between democracy and fascism, but reality is a lot messier and more complicated than that.
More like the American fascists hid in the closet after Pearl Harbor. The surprise attack silenced anymore isolationists, some of whom are fascists sympathetic to Nazi Germany and were even funded by Berlin.
As an uncle who knows something about WWII and also notices the current rise in fascism, I must point out there is an error in the article:
At press time, Poppavich signed up for a local history group’s WWII reenactment, requesting a position within the Axis powers, specifically the USSR since he “likes Putin’s style.”
Actually, the USSR was not an axis power during the war. They were one of the Allies on the side of Great Britain and the US. The Axis was Germany, Italy, and Japan
I assume that’s a joke in the article not an error
They were one of the Allies on the side of Great Britain and the US.
eventually. after Hitler attacked them. Stalin believed German wouldn't attack SO FUCKING MUCH, he ignored warnings from Poland, The US, the UK and more. I read somewhere he even had people executed for it but also this is during the time of great purges, so honestly they were probably going to be executed regardless, just Stalin things I guess.
The Soviets initially signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, in '39, after Stalin concluded that the old Allied alliance of WW1 was functionally dead and the US/UK's government wasn't going to put up a fight against German encroachment.
A lot of American liberals took that to mean Stalin was a German ally, intent on carving up Europe between them. And there's ample period propaganda with Hitler and Stalin in cahoots. One famous bit even has them getting married.
The "Trump/Putin Kissing" meme is an echo of these critiques.
Molotov-Ribbentrop was a non-aggression territorial and economic agreement, not an alliance. One that every knowledgeable historian agrees was seen by the signees as temporary (except possibly by Stalin's drunk ass)
It was not an alliance, they were not in the Axis, and any suggestion otherwise is suspect especially in this context.
Shit, the first thing that happened between them after the invasion of Poland was the Winter War where Finland was supplied by Germany and was a hair's breadth and some racism away from joining the Axis itself.
It was not an alliance, they were not in the Axis
It was a detente that allowed Germany to focus its military expansion into Poland and France without fear of a Russian counterattack.
If you want to really bust balls, you could easily argue that America was a German ally, given how influential Ford, IBM, and Standard Oil were in getting the German war machine off the ground. But that's something of an argument for M-R, as Russia wasn't in a position to fight a war with both Germany and America (any more than Germany was able to years later). German expansion into France ruined its relationship with the US and allowed the Soviets to broker a deal with FDR. And the rest is history.
Shit, the first thing that happened between them after the invasion of Poland was the Winter War where Finland was supplied by Germany
That was a bit more complicated, as it was initiated by the Russians with the intent of installing a Soviet-friendly government as a buffer zone around Leningrad. The war ended in Russian defeat and - after Germany broke the non-aggression treaty - very nearly cost them Leningrad as a result.
The war ended in Russian defeat
The Winter War did not end in Russian defeat. After initially getting slapped around by Finland, the USSR committed more troops and forced Finland to concede to all of the Soviets' initial territorial demands (and more).
You two are going a bit two deep responding to a clueless teenager-level attempt at humor that gets published by that site.
Stay out of the way it’s about to get physical.
Let me hear your body talk!
Thanks for the ducking ear worm
You expect me to pass up an opportunity to pontificate upon the Winter War? As if!
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if you want to really bust balls, you could easily argue that America was a German ally, given how influential Ford, IBM, and Standard Oil were in getting the German war machine off the ground.
if you follow that logic, then Krupps started WW1 and WW2.
But actually, well, they kinda did. Read: The Arms of Krupps.
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Learning about WWII doesn't teach you how the most progressive, industrialized society in the world at the time, and possibly ever, became fascist. For that you need to learn about WWI, the failed Spartacist uprising from 1917-1923, and the following period where the Nazis rose to power and the last remnants of the USPD and KPD were destroyed.
So unless your uncle is a fan of Rosa Luxemburg, he's probably clueless
Learning about WWII doesn’t teach you how the most progressive, industrialized society in the world at the time, and possibly ever, became fascist.
But enough about Spain.
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He knows everything about world war 2 and even collects ww2 memorabilia. So, I can't see how he missed it.
And I mean, he has loads of it. He has that luger, the mp 40, that SS uniform, those nazi flag and even an iron cross.
Reminds me of my ‘historically interested’ family members.
“Hitler was actually a great person”, they say.
”fractured arm from a golf course fall”
Pretty much sums it up.
He was collecting nazi info. bet
WW2 people missed WW2 coming and they'd just gotten out of WW1 twenty years prior.
You can cut 70 year old History Channel nerds a bit of slack.
I don't have any sources at hand, but I'm pretty sure Europeans saw a second war with Germany coming years before it started.
Nah. I hear the french actually just whipped up the maginot line the day before the war kicked off.
Encyclopedic knowledge of history doesn't mean historians know how to use logic and crytical thinking.
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