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[-] norimee@lemmy.world 129 points 2 months ago

North Korean refugees do exist and even if its more likely to meet a South Korean, wouldn't it be discrimatory and erasing to just assume all Koreans you meet are from the south?

Especially since South Koreans normally don't make the distinction of north and south but talk about one Korea. In my expierience, foreign born Korean don't do this, but Korean born Koreans do.

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[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 71 points 2 months ago

My SO is Korean and we get this all the time. I don't even think it's always a joke, some people just honestly don't understand how restrictive N. Korea is...

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 69 points 2 months ago

There are around 100,000 north koreans working abroad. It's not so unreasonable of a question as you'd think

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 52 points 2 months ago

Looks like it's mostly Russia and China, with unconfirmed estimates for other countries. This is in violation of UN sanctions, so it's highly unlikely that you'd meet a N. Korean in countries that respect UN sanctions.

South Korea, on the other hand, numbers in the millions. So if you live outside of Russia and China, there are millions of S. Koreans vs probably a few thousand N. Koreans. It's not even close.

[-] perviouslyiner@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

And if you do meet a North Korean couple in small-town America, they probably won't mention it! (Un's uncle and aunt fled there from Switzerland)

[-] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 2 months ago

Plus about 50,000 have managed to defect over the past 30 years.

[-] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.autism.place 1 points 2 months ago

150k is about 0.000183% of the world population

[-] sparkle@lemm.ee 8 points 2 months ago

Ok, that's more than twice the population of Wyoming's capital. If I don't ignore that Wyomingites exists then there's no reason to ignore that North Koreans exist outside of North Korea

[-] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.autism.place 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I never assume that someone is from Wyoming's capital either.

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 2 months ago

I still dont really get the issue. Yes its much less likely that any korean would be from the north, but there absolutely are defectors from the north that live in the west. This is just like people calling themselves "american"... Like bro just properly state the name of your home country, then people wont have to ask you.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yes, defectors exist, but they're so vanishingly few that it makes no sense to ask. Average defectors are something like 1-2k/year, and by comparison, about 16-17k S. Koreans immigrate to the US every year. So the chance that the person you're talking to is from N. Korea is incredibly small, not only do very few people actually escape N. Korea, they likely largely stay in S. Korea, where they speak the language.

"Korea" is the proper name for both countries, the "North" and "South" descriptor comes from other countries to disambiguate them. The official name for S. Korea is "Republic of Korea," and the official name for N. Korea is "Democratic People's Republic of Korea." So if you're wanting people to fully state the country they're from, you'd probably be more confused because both countries' official names include "Republic of Korea." But you'll likely never talk to someone from N. Korea, so the whole question is moot. If they say they're from "Korea," 99.9% of the time they'll be from South Korea, and if you live outside of S. Korea, it's probably like 99.999%.

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 2 months ago

A certain demographic being rare/small does not strip them of their right to existence in peoples minds, i get where you are coming from, but there is also zero hurt being done by asking this. There might not be super much of a point in asking, but looking at someone like they are a moron for asking it, is completely unjustified.

[-] pathief@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

I'm guessing people from South Korea get a little mad being asked this all the time.

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

Nah, he was around eight too. Both were in their own bubble of 8 year oldness.

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[-] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 10 points 2 months ago

Ive known a dozen koreans (if you include briefly meeting family then more) and one was indeed born in the north.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

Were they super old? As in, they were born there before the war?

Because actually meeting someone from N. Korea is incredibly rare, unless you're in China or something (S. Koreans pretty much never immigrate there).

[-] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 7 points 2 months ago

nope. PhD student. I did not sit down and ask the story but it was known because it was such a thing. Don't know if he was a baby on a raft or had a harrowing escape story or what.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago

Interesting. That's a pretty rare opportunity, assuming you're not in Russia or China (and even then, it's still fairly uncommon).

[-] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 2 points 2 months ago

You know im sorta wishing now I would have tried to get the story. I mean we had like half a dozen other koreans and no one seemed to treat him differently but he was not especially outgoing and that is even for a korean student who were not the most outgoing to begin with and lets face it. PhD students are not necessarily the most outgoing of the popluation at large. At the time it was just woa, but you know otherwise he seemed no different than any others. He did smoke which I did not think about it at the time as many PhD students smoked but it was not prevelent in the korean students. At least the ones I knew which is a not a super large set.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

Eh, Koreans have a pretty high rate of smoking (this site claims >40% of adult men), so you're probably just getting sampling bias if most you know don't smoke. My SO's friends are all anti-smoking for religious reasons, but when we visited Korea, a lot of people smoked. A lot of people in Asia smoke, it's nuts.

But yeah, Koreans tend to stick with other Koreans. My in-laws are quite racist against non-Koreans (I get a pass), and while the younger generations are better about it, they still tend to stick with other Koreans. I had a lot of international friends growing up (Vietnamese, Japanese, Taiwanese, etc), but none of them were Korean, despite having a pretty big Korean population where I grew up. I had a good working relationship with one in college when I was dating my SO (he was super good at StarCraft, that's not just a meme), and I helped him edit his essays.

[-] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 1 points 2 months ago

I will say most koreans I have known are religious (and christian curiously) and come to think of it I don't recall this guy ever mentioning religion.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

Yeah, I'm pretty sure N. Korea bans religion, kind of like the USSR, because the leader is supposed to replace God.

South Korea is something like 50% non-religious, and the rest is split between Buddhist and Christian (a bit more Christian than Buddhist). But at least from my experience, Koreans tend to see religion as more of a social club than actual belief, and in the US, they tend to be business networking places instead of places to actually worship. So even a Christian Korean probably wouldn't be super upfront about it.

[-] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

TIL "increadibly small" is greater than 1/20...

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

? The 1-2k figure is total people defecting from N. Korea every year. This isn't immigration, it's people running away from N. Korea. The 16-17k figure is just S. Koreans going to the US (doesn't include other countries).

The actual numbers of people in a given country have a much bigger gap. For S. Korea, it's like 2.5M in the US alone (about 7-8M worldwide), whereas for N. Korea, it's like 100-150k worldwide (mostly in China and Russia). If we take that on face value, it's like 70x more S. Koreans vs N. Koreans worldwide outside their native countries, and if you exclude Russia and China, it's probably well over 1000x.

[-] makyo@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Nobody will be confused if you tell them you’re American

[-] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 2 months ago

i remember when i was 8 one of my friends told me he was american and i asked whether he was from north or south and i was so proud bc i knew there were two of them and he looked at me like i was a fucking moron

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[-] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 37 points 2 months ago

As a Korean (South) that is a US citizen, I get this...all the time.

So...you're not alone?

[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

... Northern US or Southern?

[-] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago

Left Coast!

[-] Lexam@lemmy.ca 19 points 2 months ago

For an eight year old that doesn't seem that unreasonable. Now as an adult...

[-] Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Adults should know people only flock to best Korea.

[-] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

I believe I asked a co-worker once, at around 30 years old. I realized right away, but like this 8 year old, I was just proud I knew when I asked.

[-] anzo@programming.dev 2 points 1 month ago

Not to mention the third Korea, which sounds so Chic (⁀ᗢ⁀)

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