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[-] norimee@lemmy.world 129 points 1 year ago

North Korean refugees do exist and even if its more likely to meet a South Korean, wouldn't it be discrimatory and erasing to just assume all Koreans you meet are from the south?

Especially since South Koreans normally don't make the distinction of north and south but talk about one Korea. In my expierience, foreign born Korean don't do this, but Korean born Koreans do.

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[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 71 points 1 year ago

My SO is Korean and we get this all the time. I don't even think it's always a joke, some people just honestly don't understand how restrictive N. Korea is...

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 69 points 1 year ago

There are around 100,000 north koreans working abroad. It's not so unreasonable of a question as you'd think

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 52 points 1 year ago

Looks like it's mostly Russia and China, with unconfirmed estimates for other countries. This is in violation of UN sanctions, so it's highly unlikely that you'd meet a N. Korean in countries that respect UN sanctions.

South Korea, on the other hand, numbers in the millions. So if you live outside of Russia and China, there are millions of S. Koreans vs probably a few thousand N. Koreans. It's not even close.

[-] perviouslyiner@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And if you do meet a North Korean couple in small-town America, they probably won't mention it! (Un's uncle and aunt fled there from Switzerland)

[-] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 year ago

Plus about 50,000 have managed to defect over the past 30 years.

[-] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.autism.place 1 points 1 year ago

150k is about 0.000183% of the world population

[-] sparkle@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

Ok, that's more than twice the population of Wyoming's capital. If I don't ignore that Wyomingites exists then there's no reason to ignore that North Koreans exist outside of North Korea

[-] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.autism.place 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I never assume that someone is from Wyoming's capital either.

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 1 year ago

I still dont really get the issue. Yes its much less likely that any korean would be from the north, but there absolutely are defectors from the north that live in the west. This is just like people calling themselves "american"... Like bro just properly state the name of your home country, then people wont have to ask you.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes, defectors exist, but they're so vanishingly few that it makes no sense to ask. Average defectors are something like 1-2k/year, and by comparison, about 16-17k S. Koreans immigrate to the US every year. So the chance that the person you're talking to is from N. Korea is incredibly small, not only do very few people actually escape N. Korea, they likely largely stay in S. Korea, where they speak the language.

"Korea" is the proper name for both countries, the "North" and "South" descriptor comes from other countries to disambiguate them. The official name for S. Korea is "Republic of Korea," and the official name for N. Korea is "Democratic People's Republic of Korea." So if you're wanting people to fully state the country they're from, you'd probably be more confused because both countries' official names include "Republic of Korea." But you'll likely never talk to someone from N. Korea, so the whole question is moot. If they say they're from "Korea," 99.9% of the time they'll be from South Korea, and if you live outside of S. Korea, it's probably like 99.999%.

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 year ago

A certain demographic being rare/small does not strip them of their right to existence in peoples minds, i get where you are coming from, but there is also zero hurt being done by asking this. There might not be super much of a point in asking, but looking at someone like they are a moron for asking it, is completely unjustified.

[-] pathief@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I'm guessing people from South Korea get a little mad being asked this all the time.

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Nah, he was around eight too. Both were in their own bubble of 8 year oldness.

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[-] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

TIL "increadibly small" is greater than 1/20...

? The 1-2k figure is total people defecting from N. Korea every year. This isn't immigration, it's people running away from N. Korea. The 16-17k figure is just S. Koreans going to the US (doesn't include other countries).

The actual numbers of people in a given country have a much bigger gap. For S. Korea, it's like 2.5M in the US alone (about 7-8M worldwide), whereas for N. Korea, it's like 100-150k worldwide (mostly in China and Russia). If we take that on face value, it's like 70x more S. Koreans vs N. Koreans worldwide outside their native countries, and if you exclude Russia and China, it's probably well over 1000x.

[-] makyo@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Nobody will be confused if you tell them you’re American

[-] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 year ago

i remember when i was 8 one of my friends told me he was american and i asked whether he was from north or south and i was so proud bc i knew there were two of them and he looked at me like i was a fucking moron

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[-] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 37 points 1 year ago

As a Korean (South) that is a US citizen, I get this...all the time.

So...you're not alone?

[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

... Northern US or Southern?

[-] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

Left Coast!

[-] Lexam@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 year ago

For an eight year old that doesn't seem that unreasonable. Now as an adult...

[-] Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Adults should know people only flock to best Korea.

[-] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I believe I asked a co-worker once, at around 30 years old. I realized right away, but like this 8 year old, I was just proud I knew when I asked.

[-] anzo@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago

Not to mention the third Korea, which sounds so Chic (⁀ᗢ⁀)

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