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Alan Miller shook and trembled on gurney after becoming second person to be executed by controversial technique

Alabama has carried out the second execution in the US using the controversial method of nitrogen gas, an experimental technique for humans that veterinarians have deemed unacceptable in the US and Europe for the euthanasia of most animals.

Alan Eugene Miller, 59, was pronounced dead on Thursday evening at a south Alabama prison. The lethal method involves being strapped to a gurney, where a respirator mask is applied to the face and pure nitrogen piped in. The resulting oxygen deprivation will cause death by asphyxia.

Miller shook and trembled on the gurney for about two minutes with his body at times pulling against the restraints, followed by about six minutes of gasping breathing, according to the Associated Press.

Miller’s death is the latest in an extraordinary week in the US in which five condemned men in five states are set to be killed over six days. Three prisoners have already been executed – on Friday South Carolina killed Khalil Divine Black Sun Allah in its first execution in 13 years, then on Tuesday Texas killed Travis Mullis and Missouri put to death Marcellus Williams.

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[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 106 points 1 month ago

So he went through eight minutes at least of pain and panic? Sure sounds like cruel and unusual punishment to me. Although the idea that Alabama killed a man using a method considered too brutal to kill animals with does seem fitting.

[-] bastion@feddit.nl 45 points 1 month ago

No. With the notable exception of rodents, animals generally can't detect oxygen deficiency directly (though they may get loopy).

Nitrogen asphyxiation basically makes you loopy, then unconscious, then dead. It's experientially equivalent to exposure to normal air at extremely high altitudes. Military pilots are often exposed to this (in a controlled manner) precisely because it's so hard to recognize, and doesn't induce fear. Like, epic levels of hard to recognize, as in "Hey Bob, it's time to put your mask back on to keep you from dying!" Bob: snickers and clearly thinks this is a great joke, until the person straps his mask back on, and he realizes how serious the situation is

You can make a trough for a (non-starved) pig that constantly releases nitrogen gas (which it breathes as it's eating). The pig puts his head in the trough to eat, then passes out from lack of oxygen (this pulling it's snout out of the trough), then is like "what was I doing? Oh look, food.." ..and goes right back to it, passing out again.

This is completely different from the reaction to carbon dioxide asphyxiation, which the body has sensors for, and induces all kinds of panic. Try the same trough experiment with a pig using carbon dioxide, and it will stay the fuck away from the evil trough of death.

[-] Mac@mander.xyz 33 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You can watch Destin from Smarter Every Day almost die on camera* due to hypoxia.
I'll go looking for the link.

Obviously watch the whole video but start at 5:27 (ends around 7:30) for the moment. Watching this freaks me the fuck out every time.
YT Link

*He was in a safe environment

[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

Also so many instances of cave divers going loopy then dead in a matter of minutes. It's astounding that it's so easy to accidentally die from nitrogen but we just can't seem to get the hang of not torturing people to death.

[-] themadcodger@kbin.earth 9 points 1 month ago

Holy shit. I assumed we would have minutes not seconds if a plane depressurized. I understand what that would freak you the fuck out.

[-] Mac@mander.xyz 15 points 1 month ago

That's not what gets me, its watching him degrade and then not have the presence of mind to simply reenable his oxygen.
That triggers me super hard for some reason

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[-] natecox@programming.dev 18 points 1 month ago

Multiple reports from observers of this execution method: it’s horrible, they thrash around on the gurney and seem to suffer greatly

This guy: nuh uh.

Nitrogen asphyxiation may not be unpleasant, but being executed certainly causes duress.

If the method of execution takes 8 minutes, and makes you "loopy" during that time, while contemplating your impending death, then that's cruel in my opinion.

In my opinion, if you're going to execute someone then brevity and certainty must surely be required to make it humane.

Imagine them hanging you upside down trying to find a vein for legal injection and being unable to do so for 2 hours. A firing squad would be better in many ways.

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[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

The way they are doing it is horrifying.

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[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

They enjoy murdering people.

[-] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

There's lots of people arguing that you require a cooperative person. But you could just put the person to sleep with an injection first, then strap them to the gurney, then slide them into a tank and just pump stuff in and stuff out. I think it's the cruelty that keeps it cruel. Those people in charge are as heartless as the cop waiting by the 20mph sign next to the school that happens to have been placed next to the freeway entrance.17mph, you're good, 21mph... are you white? If not you're getting a ticket. It's best done right in front of your own kids. Cruelty is what it is all about.

[-] ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 month ago

The problem with that is, no anesthesiologist will work on an execution (something about "do no harm"), and properly sedating someone without one is more difficult than it appears to be.

[-] SacralPlexus@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Probably not that hard if you don’t care if the patient survives.

¯\(ツ)

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[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

If we’re going to kill people, which we shouldn’t, why not be humane about it and use a firing squad?

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 month ago

There is no humane way, they all fuck up. Most people who actually support the death penalty want recipients to suffer.

[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Agreed, but firing squad seems to be the closest to humane.

The executed died quickly, and the executors don’t know for certain that they had a bullet.

[-] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I think they found extreme PTSD in the executioners that used that method.

You don't know if you killed them or not, a lot of times. That will gnaw at people who aren't okay with killing, especially in such a cold and sterile way.

Plus, it isn't always quick.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

I would say guillotine would be closest. Even an entire squad shooting at you could potentially miss your heart.

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[-] SirDerpy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Because that disturbs the comfort of a complacent society. Nothing about the US judicial and prison system is humane.

[-] isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 month ago

meanwhile Japan having hanging as their only method for death penalty

[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago

"Pro life"....

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