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[-] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 57 points 1 week ago

Can go right next to the trophy for highest incarceration rates.

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago

USA! USA! USA!

[-] witty_username@feddit.nl 48 points 1 week ago

Surprising; I thought they had an effective for-profit prison-industrial complex
/s

[-] Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 week ago

Easy fix, barely an inconvenience: make it illegal

[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

I think they just did that.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Don't worry the states are working on that as fast as they can. They're making it a civil fine to "camp" in the wrong spot. Then you also get relocated to a shelter that has a limit on what you can bring in, including a ban on animals. If you resist at any point you end up in prison. So you have to just take losing your only companion and half of your belongings in stride. Also though, if you go to prison you lose all of your stuff. So they release you thirty days later (in the blue states) and your penniless, your dog has hopefully been adopted by someone else, and you have no clothes to survive extreme weather or any other property you need to function. So you can either die in the middle of the night to cold weather or take up that drug dealer on his offer of employment. Which ends up with a larger prison sentence down the road.

The fact that people don't see this cycle is infuriating to me. All they see is a sidewalk that doesn't have tents anymore and they cheer. They don't care that they've permanently destroyed the lives of everyone who lived there.

[-] pbbananaman@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago

There’s plenty of shelter space but you can’t do drugs there so people don’t go. But hey I guess you can use as much as you want in prison!

[-] DempstersBox@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

You have no idea what you're talking about.

I've been homeless, and staying the fuck away from the shelters is how you stay safe.

I spent one night in one once, and promptly went back to looking for hidden little spots where no one would be able to see me.

Unless you are the crustiest of old homebums, shelters are where your shit gets stolen and you get stabbed if you make a fuss. Or raped.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

No there isn't actually. The recent SCOTUS case was literally repealing a past ruling that you couldn't do what I described above, until there was enough shelter space for all the homeless in your city/county/state.

So that's why enforcement suddenly got juiced. They no longer need a bed available to fuck your shit up.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 34 points 1 week ago

It's pretty cool how the richest nation in the history of the world can't take care of people. /s

[-] Drusas@fedia.io 11 points 1 week ago

Not can't--won't.

[-] Dearth@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago

If every church in America housed 2.5 unhoused people the crisis would be solved overnight.

Who am i kidding though, American churches don't exist to help people they exist to ~~tax~~ tithe people

[-] Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago

When I feed the poor, I'm called a Saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, I'm called a communist.

The quote is by a priest from South America. I think about that alot when I think about church.

[-] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 week ago

Only monarchists think communist is an insult.

[-] Hupf@feddit.org 3 points 1 week ago

No, see, feeding the poor is illegal.

[-] BowtiesAreCool@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

To be fair, a lot of small community churches or other religious shelters seem to do a lot more than anyone else about the problem.

[-] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 week ago

Debatable.

I work for a church. We do a LOT for the community. Free lunches under the bridge. Park clean ups every season. After school programs for kids.

But in no way are we even close to doing as much good as actual organized programs that have real leadership and get funding.

[-] Pilferjinx@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Churches are a social hate group. I love faith, especially when you have to do the spiritual work yourself, but organized faith corrupts the mind and soul.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago

Don't worry, we have a fix for this.

We banned them from the streets.

[-] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Definitely a gross under count of the amount of homeless people. I'd imagine due to the government only counting occupied beds in shelters, the homeless they can physically count on one day, and not the number of incarcerated homeless. The amount is three times higher!

[-] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That's not really how it works, the census bureau is extremely thorough - they send people into encampments regularly, work with homeless charities of all kinds, etc. These counts are estimates unless it's a federal census year (when they absolutely do count every individual person that they possibly can), but they're not going to be wildly inaccurate.

The much bigger issue is that these numbers appear to be limited to city limits or greater city area, and that's where the discrepancy is gonna show up. Most homeless people dont live in cities, and camps are often established on conveniently unincorporated land so they dont have to be counted. Bureaucratic bastardry at its finest.

[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

$650k and still homeless. Housing market is out of control.

[-] Gypsyhermit123@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 week ago

Housing should he a necessity of life. Corporations shouldn’t be allowed to own homes. Limit individuals to 5.

If corporations want to own “homes” then they can build an apartment complex.

[-] Surp@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago

Id say even max two houses. No one needs more than one anyways. The second can be for the rich assholes that need vacation homes.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That or limit it to being outside a certain radius, so you can have your house in the city and a second property out in the woods for the weekend as long as it's, for example, 50 miles away or more and then if you want a third property it needs to be at least 50 miles away from the other two and so on. Make it impractical enough that second properties are only cottages, not rental units in the same city.

[-] General_Effort@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago

I can't tell if you're joking.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Why do you think I'm joking? People should be allowed to own something out of town for the weekend if they want but they'll think about it twice if they can't own both a rental unit and their main house in the same city, in the end it will force them to live in their rental unit along with the people renting from them, forcing them to actually care for their property.

They won't want to own a shit load of properties either because maintaining then will be too impractical as none of them are close to one another.

[-] General_Effort@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

It sounded kinda like: Let's make people sell the properties they rent out so that wealthy people can buy vacation homes.

The idea is guaranteed to make homelessness worse, so it seems natural that someone might mock it.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

Or control the type of ownership based on the number of doors. 1 to 4 doors > private ownership. 5 to 8 doors > corporation or cooperatives. 9 doors or more > cooperatives/non profit/State corporation.

[-] Gypsyhermit123@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

The corporate bots downvoted you

[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Which they are already doing everywhere in my area. I’d say we should also limit their ownership of apartment complexes. Though that’s a tougher problem to solve.

[-] Gypsyhermit123@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

What area…if you don’t mind getting bing up some of that sweet sweet privacy

[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

SF Bay Area, East bay. Everything is apartments. Seems like all new developments are apartments, not houses. And obviously those will be owned by corporations.

[-] c0smokram3r@midwest.social 5 points 1 week ago

650k people are homeless. Has nothing to do w housing market or salary.

“Data collected and reviewed by The Wall Street Journal from more than 250 homeless organizations have counted at least 550,000 homeless people so far, a 10 percent rise from last year’s reports. The numbers gathered from cities and rural areas show homelessness as it was on a single night earlier this year.

The upward trend means that the US will probably reach and pass the 2023 estimate of 653,000 homeless people. It’s the highest number since the government began sharing such data in 2007.”

[-] Voytrekk@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

I was confused by the title at first too. It should probably be "US is on track to set a new record for homelessness with over 650K people living on the streets".

WE'RE NUMBER ONE! LETS GOOO!

[-] Oyml77@lemmy.today 9 points 1 week ago

U S A!!! U S A!!! U S A!!!

[-] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 week ago

It'll get worse, so don't go making any bets or anything. I know being an optimist is cool and all, but seriously.

[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 week ago

WHOOOO! USA #1!!!

[-] needanke@feddit.org 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

So like 1 in ~~50~~ 500 pll is homeless? That's crazy. Ther is not even a significant crisis or war directly affecting the US.

~~Edit: I can't read~~

Edit II : OK, reading was fine (on the first go) I just did my math with 1million = 100* thousand ... I am tired and have a cold, please excuse my many fumbles in this comment xD.

[-] Throw_away_migrator@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

I think you're off by a factor of 10. 650k out of 330 million is about 1 in 500. It's still way too many people, don't get me wrong, just wanted to clarify.

[-] needanke@feddit.org 5 points 1 week ago

Thanks, yeah I'm not so fovused atm. But defenetly still too many homless folk.

[-] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

In San Diego sure but what about the rest of the country?

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Ouch. Just ouch.

[-] PushButton@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

See the guy in orange on the left?

Now, what are those toddlers dressed in fluo doing next to him?

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